Rue Rory Gallagher
Posted by: Sloop John B on 26 October 2010
I'm lucky enough to be in Paris at the moment and am toying with the idea of bringing SLOOP Jnr to Rue Rory Gallagher.
Have any of you been?
Or do any of you know if the Ris Orangis area of Paris is a safe area. I know there are many areas in the Dublin suburbs I wouldn't recommend.
Thanks
SJB
Posted on: 26 October 2010 by JWM
Posted on: 26 October 2010 by JWM
I did reply John, but seemed to inadvertently trigger a trigger word somehow, so it's being referred to mods before publishing. Hopefully it'll be allowed through!
Best wishes,
James
Posted on: 26 October 2010 by JWM
Hey, it was let through
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by Sloop John B
Thanks for your help James.
Well Sloop Junior (now 15) and I made the pilgrimage to Rue Rory Gallagher in the Ris Orangis area of Paris. It is a good distance into the suburbs and we took RER line D from Chatelet-Les Halles to the Orangis Bois de l'Epine station. This is normally about a 40 minute ride. (We did rather take the circuitous route by going all the way to Melun as there is a loop in the track and a bit more care at Chatelet would have prevented us getting the wrong train.
From Wikipedia:
quote:
The RER D is one of the five lines in the RER commuter rail system serving Paris, France.
Due to its high rate of both incidents and social disturbances, RER D line is colloquially known as "RER Trash"
I can't say we ran into any trouble but one was aware of having a more fairer complexion than most others on the train.
The best way to get to Rue Rory upon leaving the station is to turn left towards a pedestrian pathway.
and then veer right and then left to end up on the end of Rue Rory. (The lane isn't as foreboding as the picture implies it's quite a open area.)
You are now looking up Rue Rory Gallagher
About half way up is the rock venue "Le Plan" where Rory played one of his last French concerts.
and outside is a commemorative plaque
At the top of the road is the road sign.
I can't say I had an epiphany or anything of that nature but I'm glad we went and somehow it's rather fitting that the setting is in reality one of outsider - The Last of the Independents.
SJBPosted on: 31 October 2010 by Sloop John B
quote:
Originally posted by Sloop John B:
Thanks for your help James.
Well Sloop Junior (now 15) and I made the pilgrimage to Rue Rory Gallagher in the Ris Orangis area of Paris. It is a good distance into the suburbs and we took RER line D from Chatelet-Les Halles to the Orangis Bois de l'Epine station. This is normally about a 40 minute ride. (We did rather take the circuitous route by going all the way to Melun as there is a loop in the track and a bit more care at Chatelet would have prevented us getting the wrong train.
From Wikipedia:
quote:
The RER D is one of the five lines in the RER commuter rail system serving Paris, France.
Due to its high rate of both incidents and social disturbances, RER D line is colloquially known as "RER Trash"
I can't say we ran into any trouble but one was aware of having a more fairer complexion than most others on the train.
The best way to get to Rue Rory upon leaving the station is to turn left towards a pedestrian pathway.
and then veer right and then left to end up on the end of Rue Rory. (The lane isn't as foreboding as the picture implies it's quite a open area.)
You are now looking up Rue Rory Gallagher
About half way up is the rock venue "Le Plan" where Rory played one of his last French concerts.
and outside is a commemorative plaque
At the top of the road is the road sign.
I can't say I had an epiphany or anything of that nature but I'm glad we went and somehow it's rather fitting that the setting is in reality one of outsider - The Last of the Independents.
SJB
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by JWM
Hat off to the Sloops, Snr and Jnr, and thanks for sharing your pilgrimage
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by David Scott
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I can't say we ran into any trouble but one was aware of having a more fairer complexion than most others on the train.
This is racism, pure and simple. You really need to sit down and think things through.
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by deadlifter
It might just be that it was a rough area and if you don`t look like you fit in it could cause you some trouble, so don`t be so sensitive
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by mongo
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Originally posted by David Scott?:
quote:
I can't say we ran into any trouble but one was aware of having a more fairer complexion than most others on the train.
This is racism, pure and simple. You really need to sit down and think things through.
Rubbish. It's an observation.
David, could you be any more 'right on brother'?
Yuk.
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by David Scott
Paul, Deadlifter,
You're both wrong. Sorry.
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by deadlifter
Very Doubtfull as I see myself as someone with a balanced view but then I do not look for offence,as Terry Wogan once said on his radio show, There are people listening waiting to be offended
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by JWM
He simply said:
1. It is an area with a difficult reputation.
2. He didn't feel inconspicuous.
And, he's a nice and well-balanced bloke.
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by David Scott
He said he wouldn't say there was any trouble exactly, but there were a lot of black people. Don't be obtuse. I'm sure he's a nice bloke and I doubt if he would want to think of himself as racist or deliberately set out to be so. But he does need to think things through and so do some other people here.
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by George Fredrik
Most people have harmless and self-protective but never the less racist preconceptions. I drove through Germany twice in the last three weeks, because my Polish colleges prefered to avoid driving that leg of the journey. That does not make my Polish friends hateful racists, but rather realists. They imagined, quite rightly IMO, that were we stopped by the German Police, an Englishman would be much less likely to find himself [and his collegues] in a cell than if a Pole were at the wheel at the time ...
George
PS JWM, please send me an email as I have lost your email address in a fairly recent computer disaster ...
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by Sloop John B
quote:
Originally posted by David Scott?:
He said he wouldn't say there was any trouble exactly, but there were a lot of black people. Don't be obtuse. I'm sure he's a nice bloke and I doubt if he would want to think of himself as racist or deliberately set out to be so. But he does need to think things through and so do some other people here.
To paraphrase, what I said was:
Wikpedia warns this is a "rough area"
I encountered no trouble.
I felt conspicuous though as nearly every one else was black.
If the train was full of Millwall supporters I would also have felt conspicuous.
If the train was full of high court judges I would also have felt conspicuous.
If we were the only males on the train I would have felt conspicuous also.
It was, as noted above, "an observation". You interpret that there was an implication.
Racism isn't an issue with me at all, perhaps that's why my phrasing leaves me open to the accusation, it's just not something I think about
I finish off by saying how appropriate that Rory - a lover and exponent of black American blues - is honoured in a predominantly black area of Paris.
SJBPosted on: 31 October 2010 by George Fredrik
Dear SJB,
You are not in any way culpable for your perfectly natural report of the situation.
To suggest you were is Political Correctness at its most Fascistic. The Fascist is always most happy when his view makes him feel a superior kind of human being for expressing some possition which allows himself [and few other fascistic PC experts] to feel themselves being allegedly morally superior to other more well balanced and normal people ...
Best wishes from George
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by David Scott
quote:
my phrasing leaves me open to the accusation
I'm glad you acknowledge that.
quote:
it's not something I think about
What I'm suggesting is that it should be. Then your phrasing might be less open to unwanted interpretations and less likely to give offence.
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by David Scott
quote:
you are not in any way culpable for your perfectly natural report of the situation.
To suggest you were is Political ?Correctness at its most fascistic
George,
You really need to get out more!
Posted on: 31 October 2010 by George Fredrik
Oooh I do get out! No need from lecturettes [sic] from petty "PC" experts. I live out and about in the real world enough to see the difference between a genuine guy like SJB and and a "PC" prig ...
George
Posted on: 01 November 2010 by David Scott
George,
You've turned nasty in your old age. What a shame.
Posted on: 01 November 2010 by Sloop John B
quote:
Originally posted by David Scott?:
Then your phrasing might be less open to unwanted interpretations and less likely to give offence.
quote:
George,
You really need to get out more!
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You've turned nasty in your old age. What a shame.
So David, I must take care not to cause offence when none is intended and you are free to dish out abuse willy nilly.
Brave New World indeed.
SJBPosted on: 01 November 2010 by JWM
John, you've not heard of the band The Self-Righteous Brothers, then?
Posted on: 01 November 2010 by graham55
Dear, dear, Mr Scott, you've turned an interesting thread into a nasty little lecture on political correctness.
You're clearly one of this dreadful new breed of people who define "offensiveness" by whether they feel themselves offended, rather than the (former) definition of whether the speaker intended to offend.
You need to get out less - and please feel free to be as offended as you wish by this remark.
For what it's worth, and judging from the photos, I'd sure as sh*t have felt apprehensive if I had taken a 15yo son/daughter to the area shown in the photos.
I don't suppose there's any chance that this nasty little sidetrack can be dropped now, so that we can get back to the great Rory Gallagher (whom I saw in Edinburgh's Usher Hall as a schoolboy in the early 1970s)? Please!
Posted on: 01 November 2010 by David Scott
SJB,
I’ve always liked and even admired George and enjoyed his contributions to the forum. Just want to say that first.
So far on this thread he’s called me:
A Fascist
A fascistic PC expert
Not well balanced
abnormal
someone who has a need to feel superior to others
A petty PC expert who doesn't live in the real world
A PC prig
Not a genuine guy
He has also accused me of political correctness at its most fascistic, which is what prompted me to suggest he should get out more. I have definitely come across examples of PC that are far more extreme than anything I’ve ever said on this thread or anywhere else. ‘You need to get out more’ does not seem to me to be the most terrible thing one could say, but I apologise to George and anyone else reading this thread if they found it in any way upsetting or traumatic. Given that George is such a polite and mild mannered chap I found all this nastiness surprising and a little disappointing and said so. I'm aware that George is not terribly old – in fact I think he's slightly younger than I am, though God knows that's old enough. Again if my suggesting George was in his old age has offended him or anyone else, please accept my apologies.
As it happens I have also been accused by others of being:
'right on brother' (whatever that means) to the highest degree possible
yuk
self righteous
deliberately seeking opportunities to take offence
All mild enough and only to be expected, but I don't really think you could suggest that I have a monopoly of the abuse dished out on this thread.
Interestingly you seem to suggest that my conduct is reminiscent of the authorities in Huxley's Brave New World. As their primary injunction to the population was that they should take a lot of drugs and shag each others brains out I find this rather confusing. Perhaps you intended an ironic allusion to the Tempest.
David
Posted on: 01 November 2010 by Derry
David, I think you are a bit to keen to play the racist card - IMHO, of course. A description can simply be that without the overtones you ascribe to it.
