ok vinyl heads

Yeah, Paul. None but the Lonely Heart especially needs to be on DVD - gotta see that bass walk.

Regards.

Phil 'you'll never please everybody' Barry

Hi Paul:

What about us *real* vinylheads who don't own a CD player? Do we still have to buy the CD too?

Best Regards,
Mark Dunn

Why not buy a cd for a friend, make someone's day! or...........
THere will be a small number of discs available also from Ken Christianson at Pro Musica CHICAGO kcpromus@aol.com price will be around 21pounds plus shipping.

I would love to but there is just not enough interest. We would make a loss. This only works because of the promotion plan with Image.

Hey, Paul!

What's up? You've been absent from the forum for quite a while, and you've been really active in the last few days.

This could be because you've been very busy on some hot project, and now it's done, and I doubt that it's an LP project.

Anything new you can tantalize us with?

Regards.

Phil

Loads of stuff, all top secret.

I would love to see more vinyl on the Naim label; releasing a recording on both CD and vinyl is quite handy. I've bought a number of recordings lately from Eighteenth Street Lounge in both formats (CD for ease of use and ripping to wma for work, vinyl for true dedicated listening at home).

Question: does anyone have a ballpark idea of what the break even point is with respect to the number of vinyl pressings that must be sold (of course, this is a function of price, etc.)? For example, what is the cost for creating the acetate disks, and what is the unit cost for pressing the hot biscuit?

Erik

Mastering, pressing, royalties, packing, shipping and trade discounts about 3,000 copies.

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Interesting Paul; this is more than I imagined. The next question is what is the break even point for CDs? I would guess this number to be much less given the ease of manufacturing CDs.

Erik

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Mastering, pressing, royalties, packing, shipping and trade discounts about 3,000 copies.

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Interesting Paul; this is more than I imagined.
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I find it interesting as it's rather less than I'd thought. I'd thought that somewhere 6-8,000 copies would be a break even point (assuming an equivalent price point to CD's).

Anyway, I don't want to try telling Paul his business, but just wondered if Naim had considered a partnership with someone who does do vinyl? After all, I suspect that a good quality 180gsm pressing of a Naim recorded and mastered album would be really something to hear on a fully Naimed LP12!

Chris L

Erik

I'm at ESL most weekends and Thievery are just finishing their latest work. Available by sept. Should be a few specials available only via the website.

Also, look out for some 'Live at the lounge' type stuff, mixed by Farid and Mike B. Similar to the Turntables on the Hudson mixes by Nickodemus and Mariano.

ESL have just opened a record store in DC called 'Rythm and culture' Hopefully they will link this to the ESL site as they have a much bigger selection of music (most of it on Vinyl) to choose from.

Regards

Colin

Erik, really the breakeven point can only be worked out when you factor in the recording costs.
In general the cd transfer system is cheaper about half perhaps.

The analog transfer/cutting the disc etc requires more skill/feel and since the overall selling/production quantities of cd are higher the costs are lower.

Chris
We have spoken with several companies who have approached us to release vinyl versions of our music. We could not conclude a satisfactory deal. Most estimates for sales were about 500 pieces max. The sums don't really add up. We wanted also to control the quality.

The transfer of this current "none but the lobnely disc" Ken flew to Germany with the original master for the transfer and cutting.

Paul,

I assume, then, that the "none but the lonely heart" LP does come up to Naim's exacting standards? And that, although nothing is currently in the offing, future special editions like this are not being discounted (as it were!).

If so, you can assume you have an order for any of Antonio's albums that are put onto LP! Even at an "audiophile" price.

Chris L

yes and I repeat, Meet Me In London, it needs to be on vinyl. It told me.

Richard, no revenge was never on vinyl.

Paul, forgot to say earlier great to see you back on the forum. I'm sure it's nothing to do with the Byersesque public relations crisis oop north, but while we have your attention..

The estimable Vik has recently suggested that modern Naim 5 series, Nap 500 are far too good for the old banger LP12, and ofcourse you are on record as saying anyone with a nonsuspended record spinner doesn't deserve a Nait. What do you reckon, can we manufacture some New Naim v Old Naim phoney war? I nominate Paul Ransom and Simon Matthews as generals of the respective camps. So anyway the LP12 sounds shite on a 552/500 combo eh? No spin now, nail your colours to the mast.

John

John, the better the electronics the more you hear whats going on. I am sure there will be some amazing sounds out there with an LP12.

I think the number of people who really know how to make it sing or should I say take the time and trouble get fewer every day.
The number of cartridges I really get to hear which I think truly work gets fewer and fewer.
System set up with CD also on the 552 and the Series5 is just as important.

Ah well ask a fatuous question, get a sensible answer.

John.

So the Byers analogy, are you Blair or Brown behind the scenes?

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Paul,

This is a very interesting statement. Is it possible to get a list of said cartridges that work well (in your opinion) in a Naimed LP12 setup (assuming of course the standard Naim gear downstream)? I personally have an old Asak in my LP12/Ittok LVII turntable. At some point, the Asak will need to be replaced. Also, how does an ARO change the equation?

Erik

Nothing re-tipped , convinces me that re-tipping works. Troika, Lyra helikon sl, ortofon spu, Sumiko several, Koetsu various, Decca London Gold.

There maybe a few more but the above would be my choices.

Glad the preamp is all ok. You have maybe not been able to compare an original Troika with a re-tipped or have you?

lingo/ugo
As I made clear or maybe not so clear we are selling this album as part of a Chris Anderson promotion. I do not wish to turn this into a charity story but if anyone needs the support and some Royalties its Chris.
Ok order cancelled no problem, it may well be that Ken in Chicago will sell the album direct.
Also Image magazine will have a promotion for the sale of the disc.

"a little over £300"
May well be at that kind of price there is nothing to touch it, I mean't compared to the original. Of course if they are not made anymore........

Paul Stephenson.....I have a Lyra Helikon, about 1 year old.....cannot understand why some Naim devotees reckon it`s output is too high for Naim K boards . I am using a K prefix... sounds like a perfect match to me....I understand that the "standard" Helikon`s output is 0.44 mV (under standard conditions) I read somewhere that Naim in USA requested a lower output (o.2mV) version. Surely o.44mV is well within the safety margins for K boards?. I have sucessfully used MC cartridges with outputs greater than 0.5-0.7mV Can you please explain what the percieved incompatibility was? Surely, lowering the output to 0.2mV invites potential noise problems?

Cheers Laurie S

Your set up is fine, I think the Amercians were trying to get the output to be as Karma and Troika. 0.7 is a bit high for K boards and yes in theory lowering the output to 0.2 can increase noise problems but we never had any complaints over these years with the Linn cartridges.