Flash Remote

Posted by: Paul B on 07 August 2001

"Expert" comments (or otherwise from the common folk) invited on the use of the Flash remote.

What does it do (differently/anything)? How much do these things cost? (UK) (I know that it comes with the CDS2 but I really don't need a CD player as well.)

Paul

Posted on: 07 August 2001 by Mike Hanson

  • It's a remote.
  • It's heavy.
  • I suppose that it looks good.
  • It controls Naim's gear.
  • It doesn't seem to be programmable (or I just haven't figured out how).
  • It "wakes up" when it senses motion. (Its sensitivity seems to auto-adjust, which is handy if you live near a railyard. smile )

Other than that, it's nothing fancy. I would have never bought one if it hadn't come with the CDS2.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 07 August 2001 by Steve Toy
At least with Naim you get a cheapie remote thrown in, with Flash as a 310 GBP option. I have met Flash- and it is very nice - has that quality feel to it in your hands.
I have the Densen remote, called Gizmo. It is basically a heavy black stick, about 25 cm long, with little buttons down its shaft (oo-er! wink )
It costs 300 GBP, but is compulsory if you want to remote-control your Densen stuff. Yes, fortunately, it oozes quality like the Naim one.

It's always a nice day for it, have a good one wink
Steve

Posted on: 07 August 2001 by Arthur Bye
I've got two of these babies. Both of them are kept where they are most useful; in the original shipping carton they came in.

I suppose they would make good paperweights.

Arthur Bye

Posted on: 07 August 2001 by Laxton
Arthur,

Have you ever considered selling them? wink

Regards
Laxton

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Paul Stephenson
The flash is a delight to use, you can see instantly where you are what you want to do, make the changes and get on with the musical experience.
Most of the learning remotes are crap, ugly and difficult to use. I believe there are a couple which work well, I have not had the pleasure.
Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Mike Hanson
quote:
you can see instantly where you are what you want to do

I actually find the button organization a little confusing.


  • The volume is controlled by big buttons on the left and right. I generally prefer volume control buttons to be oriented vertically.
  • Above that track selection is controlled by big buttons on the left and right. I often confuse these with the volume buttons.
  • Near the track selection, the time position is controlled by little buttons on the left and right (which are paired by two unrelated buttons that look just the same). I usually have to go hunting for these, as it's not inately obvious which of the two pairs of small buttons to use. Also, if you're on the wrong "Page", then you have find and press that one first, before you can do the time positioning.

I dislike the fact that DISPLAY is on a different page from the time position buttons. Often when I want to jump forward in a track, it's to a certain time sequence. To achieve this I must:

  • Determine which Page is active on the remote.
  • Find and press the Page button, if necessary, to access the Display button.
  • Find and press the Display button until the time position is displayed on the player.
  • Press the Page button again to get to the access the time positioning buttons.
  • Find the time positioning buttons, and use them to get to the desired position in the track.
  • Press the Page button to get back to the Display button.
  • Press the Display button the required number of times to get the display back to Track mode.
  • Press the Page button again, so get back to the time positioning buttons, where I try to keep the remote most of the time.

As you can see, 8 steps were required. Having the Display button on the same page as the time positioning buttons would help. An even better solution would be to have the CDS2 display the time automatically, when using the time positioning feature. It would then revert back to the original display when positioning is complete. I realize that this isn't something that you can retrofit, though.

Fortunately, my chair is about 18" from the CDS2, I don't generally need to use the remote. big grin

BTW Vuk, I prefer the Marantz over the Flash. I also prefer the Marantz over the remote that came with my Sony A/V Receiver, which is why I'm using with the home theatre system.

I can't quite rememember the way your favorite remote looked, although I recall that it had a whole bunch of rather non-descript buttons (which is a real problem with Linn's remotes, btw). Are the key buttons highlighted to some extent (either a different size, or set aside)?

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Willem van Gemert
I bought a used Flash about a year ago. The person who sold it, like Arthur, had never used it (it came sealed!), so you can say it was a new unit! As with all my Naim gear I'm very careful, but I noticed yesterday that on one corner and on the back the Flash lost a bit of it's black paint. On these two spots the original colour of the Flash remote appears, which is deep blue.
I have no guarantee, so I'll have to colour it with a black marker myself, but IMHO it's a bit early for such an expensive remote to lose it's colour. The way I see it, it's a problem of the paint not being adhesive enough. Maybe Naim should check this out!
Still I'm very happy with the Flash, it's a great gadget, although not as practical as one would think/expect, as Mike has illustrated in detail. Just a shame about the high price. At half price it would be a great alternative for the IMHO (too) cheap looking/feeling standard remote. I'm pretty sure every second Naimophile would buy one!

Ciao!

Willem

[This message was edited by Willem van Gemert on WEDNESDAY 08 August 2001 at 12:38.]

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
I don't know whether this is a general fault, but if I set my Flash to Preamp and then Increase or Decrease the input (rather than keying the input number) my system usually defaults to another input (usually the VCR). This only seems to happen once at the beginning of a listening session and then behaves normally. I thought at first it may be a preamp issue, but the same fault occured on both my 82 and now on my 52.

David

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by matthewr
I find the Flash so annoying and difficult to use that I rarely bother with it.

-- The paging system is stupid given that with something that size you could easily accomodate enough buttons to do everything needed without faffing around with pages at all.

-- The smaller buttons (especially the little round ones) are fiddly and have poor tactile qualities that make them difficult to press and they offer poor feedback.

-- Unlabelled buttons and a screen is clearly a stupid idea unless its a learning remote. One has to look at the screen and press the appropriate button instead of just pressing the button. Every other (non-learning) remote I have I can in time use without looking at but Flash is designed so that this is almost impossible for all but the major functions.

It appears to me to have been designed primarily to accomodate its reprogrammable feature (presumably where the name comes from) which is a fine idea but by definition is unlikely to be an issue for many users and certainly not that often. Hence we are left with a remote primarily designed for something it rarely has to do and very obviously badly designed for its primary function.

And I've yet to meet a person who has not seriously resented being forced to pay for one when buying a CDS2.

I also think its hideously ugly with a sort "look at the quality craftmanship and materials" fussy design one associates with products designed to appeal to the peculiar Japanese sense of English quality (you know like walnut dash inlays on modern cars). Despite its modern pretentions I think it looks very old fashioned.

However, its shape and general heft jave led t the invention of FlashBall (a sort of indoor tennis) and I understand that its proving very popular with the S&M crowd and certain South American police states.

Matthew

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Paul Stephenson
Thanks for the valuable feed back, we will take all your points on board for the future.

David, I will look into the software default and
get back to you.

Willem, talk with the chap you purchased it from must have incurred some damage.

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Arthur Bye
My solution was to get a Linn remote. Since I have a Kremlin tuner. I have control over the CD player, preamp, and tuner(Linn and Naim shares the same Philips IR codes). It actually works quite well once you get used to it. There are several extraneous buttons for the Knekt, but I just ignore them.

The only feature I lack is the "mono" switch, which is rarely used anyhow.

Arthur Bye

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Paul Stephenson
Can be upgraded soon to have tuner functions and more in the future when required.
Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Dev B
I understand what Flash is trying to achieve, but it doesn't do enough (yet) to be useful.

The best remote in my view were the originals CDS/52 remotes that came with the original design. Fantastically light, aesthetically please and a delight to use.

Dev

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by ken c
i guess i am in the minority here. i quite like the Flash renote control unit. this may be because, other than basic functions, i really havent bothered to get into customising it a bit. when i do, i suspect that i can probably make it even easier to use and more in line with my usage patterns. i dont mind the paging function at all -- as i prefer fewer buttons on the remote. i simply cannot stand the very busy linn remotes.

the source+/- buttons on mine do not work at all on my dealer's 52 that i have on loan -- but this is not my 52. on mine, these buttons sort of worked, if somewhat erratically, but i had bigger problems to worry about at the time.

i may be in a position to share some more thoughts after programming it when my own 52 is back.

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Arthur Bye
Paul S.

That's interesting. It sounds like the Flash can be configured to work with a Linn tuner and perhaps other brand equipment. Is this correct. How soon do you expect to implent this upgrade?

Arthur Bye

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Paul Stephenson
can be configured to work with a Linn tuner and perhaps other brand equipment. Is this correct. How soon do you expect to implent this upgrade?

I think during October. THe remote will work all
rc5 coded items.

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Rockingdoc
Being "murdered in the Hamptons" sounds very painful
Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Mike Hanson
quote:
the source+/- buttons on mine do not work at all on my dealer's 52

It doesn't work for mine either. Fortunately, I'm usually close enough to change the input manually. If I'm changing sources, then there's a good chance that I'm standing near the system changing media, unless I'm switching to the tuner from something else.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by ken c
It doesn't work for mine either.

oh, perhaps this is a general fault? i 'll worry about this when my 52 comes back.

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by David Dever
Fortunately, I'm not the only one who has suggested the following, culled from a variety of end-user observations:

- In the CD menu, please put the player's display on-off function on the main page...minor, but important. For many, the program button is a minor facility (I'd prefer random track selection in the players, myself).

- The page select button within the menus is a waste of available interface buttons--perhaps clicking the CD menu twice might then take you into the second set of commands. (One could also add the external RC-5 / local IR remote control function here for the newer players, too...)

Perhaps a shorter display timeout, as well, as one can hear the display backlight in very quiet rooms.

Dave Dever, NANA
(back from vacation)

[This message was edited by David Dever, NANA on WEDNESDAY 08 August 2001 at 18:32.]

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by matthewr
>> Have you read recent reports about the growing popularity of FlashBall in the posh suburbs of New York? It all made the news recently when a handsome young Argentinean FlashBall trainer was found murdered <<

No. Was he bludgeoned to death with his own Flash?

Although I'm not sure if it would be obvious as a highly trained Flash wielder can beat the victim senseless without leaving the sort of tell-tale bruising that gets Ammnesty in all of fluster. FlashBall does of course develop just the sort of subtle wrist action required for such a discrete operation.

I have it on good authority that the Italian police were very happy with Flash's performance at the recent G8 summit where its hippie whacking ergonmics were highly praised. Sadly one local resident, Michele Hansoni, was not so happy and was heard cursing loudly as his attempt to play the middle eight from Cher's "I Beleive" was undone by some stray RC5 codes.

Matthew

Posted on: 08 August 2001 by Martin Payne
quote:
The best remote in my view were the originals CDS/52 remotes that came with the original design. Fantastically light, aesthetically please and a delight to use.

Dev,

you'll like my system when you come over to hear it. Only problem is it's hard to tell the two apart sometimes.

BTW, if you want a CDS-II with your favourite remote, buy an old CDS-I & have it upgraded!!

cheers, Martin

Posted on: 09 August 2001 by Willem van Gemert
Paul,

quote:
Willem, talk with the chap you purchased it from must have incurred some damage.

Not necessary as the unit came in a sealed package and had not been used. I was the first to use it. I suppose the remote touched/scratched another object and lost it's paint. What worries me is that next to this blue spot I can rub off very easily the rest of the black paint. Hence my comment on the adhesiveness of the paint used for the Flash.
If the plastic of the body would have been black I wouldn't have noticed it, but since the plastic of the body is a flashy blue every scratch becomes very obvious.

Ciao!

Willem

Posted on: 09 August 2001 by Paul Stephenson
"the remote touched/scratched another object" impossible if in original packaging!

If you wish to send the unit back to me, I will investigate.

Posted on: 09 August 2001 by Steve Catterall
My Flash remote is also slaowly going blue as the black paint slowly rubs off ... that's just with everyday use and no knocks, scratches etc. It just gradually gets worse week on week.

It does seem that the paint doesn't stick very well, and, like Willem says, beacuse its blue underneath it start looking very tatty.