Suffolk murders
Posted by: Rasher on 13 December 2006
I don't get it. Ipswich red light district is what, 2-3 streets? I don't understand how 5 girls can be murdered over a short period without the police being to be able to catch the killer. They know the killer will operate within these streets right now, and they know who the targets are. There are probably 45 girls at risk there at a guess. How difficult can it be to look after them?
I think it was the Torygraph that said this week that Suffolk police are the least capable force in the country to deal with a major incident. Why are they not immediately bringing in assistance from the forces that caught the Yorkshire Ripper & Ian Huntley? I would have thought that would be the first thing they would do. This is another cock-up (pun unintended).
It'll be the usual suspect: known sex offender/murderer released back into the community 3 months ago.
I think it was the Torygraph that said this week that Suffolk police are the least capable force in the country to deal with a major incident. Why are they not immediately bringing in assistance from the forces that caught the Yorkshire Ripper & Ian Huntley? I would have thought that would be the first thing they would do. This is another cock-up (pun unintended).
It'll be the usual suspect: known sex offender/murderer released back into the community 3 months ago.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Steve Toy
The biggest crime in this country is not murder, it is challenging authority. The police do little to tackle violent crime because it is only against individuals. Prostitutes probably don't even figure as worthy individuals.
If someone was throwing stones at your windows and you called the police they'd be too busy. Ask them if you'd prefer it if you dealt with the situation instead of them and they'd be round in a shot - to arrest you!
"Taking the law into your own hands" is probably the biggest crime of this country.
If someone was throwing stones at your windows and you called the police they'd be too busy. Ask them if you'd prefer it if you dealt with the situation instead of them and they'd be round in a shot - to arrest you!
"Taking the law into your own hands" is probably the biggest crime of this country.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Derek Wright
How come this story was the big thing in the BBC 10 PM TV news last night, why was the news anchor flown in to downtown Ipswich to lead the news, live by satellite, this is a local issue for the inhabitants of Suffolk and perhaps Essex.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by rupert bear
quote:Originally posted by Derek Wright:
How come this story was the big thing in the BBC 10 PM TV news last night, why was the news anchor flown in to downtown Ipswich to lead the news, live by satellite, this is a local issue for the inhabitants of Suffolk and perhaps Essex.
Er - because a sequence of events takes place in a small area means it's not of national importance? Come on.
Anyway, whether or not I've ever been to Ipswich, I'd certainly want to know to what was going on there if of this magnitude.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by JamieWednesday
Bit of perspective here.
On the one hand 5 women have been brutally (is there any other way?) murdered in a relatively peaceful part of the country, not I believe known for excessive levels of violence. On the other hand, yesterday 50 people were murdered and hundreds others injured by a bomber(s) in Iraq.
However, at the moment it seems these girls were targeted, singled out and killed in cold blood, one by one, in a relatively short period of time. Geographically in our back yard. It seems the bodies only started showing up quite recently and the latest has been killed in only the last few days despite warnings and a police presence and after one of those killed giving a TV interview stating she would carry on regardless. It is, I would have thought, harder to be sure of a Prostitute's whereabouts than for you or I and when 'missing', not immediately a sign that she is in a ditch somewhere. Whatever their background and however they ended up there, they were daughters, mothers, sisters. Shouldn't you be apalled at what has happened to them? It is not a local issue for those resident in Suffolk, it is an issue that should concern everyone and my heart goes out to their families and anyone that cared about them.
On the one hand 5 women have been brutally (is there any other way?) murdered in a relatively peaceful part of the country, not I believe known for excessive levels of violence. On the other hand, yesterday 50 people were murdered and hundreds others injured by a bomber(s) in Iraq.
However, at the moment it seems these girls were targeted, singled out and killed in cold blood, one by one, in a relatively short period of time. Geographically in our back yard. It seems the bodies only started showing up quite recently and the latest has been killed in only the last few days despite warnings and a police presence and after one of those killed giving a TV interview stating she would carry on regardless. It is, I would have thought, harder to be sure of a Prostitute's whereabouts than for you or I and when 'missing', not immediately a sign that she is in a ditch somewhere. Whatever their background and however they ended up there, they were daughters, mothers, sisters. Shouldn't you be apalled at what has happened to them? It is not a local issue for those resident in Suffolk, it is an issue that should concern everyone and my heart goes out to their families and anyone that cared about them.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Rasher
I agree Jamie. These girls do what they do because they can't make it any other way, society has let them down, and they are being let down again. It can't be that difficult to find the killer. It's awful. The remaining girls who have to work the streets must be terrified.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by jcs_smith
quote:Originally posted by Derek Wright:
How come this story was the big thing in the BBC 10 PM TV news last night, why was the news anchor flown in to downtown Ipswich to lead the news, live by satellite, this is a local issue for the inhabitants of Suffolk and perhaps Essex.
So 5 women are murdered by the same person in the same area within 10 days and you don’t think that’s significant news? I’m in Iraq at the moment and it’s still the main topic of conversation here,even among those that aren’t English. What’s your problem with this? Is it because it’s women that have been murdered or is it because they were prostitutes? Do you believe that they were second class citizens and therefore not worth talking about?
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Derek Wright
Did the event justify the Beeb locating the main news person in Ipswich? Perhaps after the next 5 bodies have been discovered.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by jcs_smith
quote:Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Did the event justify the Beeb locating the main news person in Ipswich?
Yes I believe it did. This is a really big deal
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by acad tsunami
As if these poor wretched women did not have enough misery in their lives - almost all of these street prostitutes are addicted to heroin - they should be registered as drug addicts and prescribed heroin if that is what it takes to get them off the streets (where they stand night after night in all kinds of inclement weather risking life and limb to every psycho or virus)and into safety. Many of these women get knocked around and abused by pimps and punters, many are robbed and many are forced into performing degrading acts to get their fix which they need to escape from the reality of what they need to do in order to get the money for their fix!
I think prostitution should be legalised. These women need to be looked after. They should be able to get their drugs on prespcription while they take part in rehabilitation programmes. Addiction fuels crime and social decay and profits no one except pushers and dealers. Legalise prostitution and prescribe drugs to registered addicts and the problems are massively reduced.
What is it about some men that they have to murder women? - I guess when the man/men is caught he will say 'voices in my head told me to do it' and then its off for a holiday in Broadmoor at the tax payers expense.
Why are these women still on the street? Shouldnt the police arrest them for their own safety and get them looked after by social services?
As for the police - it seems they are too macho to ask for help. My heart goes out to the parents and family of these women, they must be going through hell.
I think prostitution should be legalised. These women need to be looked after. They should be able to get their drugs on prespcription while they take part in rehabilitation programmes. Addiction fuels crime and social decay and profits no one except pushers and dealers. Legalise prostitution and prescribe drugs to registered addicts and the problems are massively reduced.
What is it about some men that they have to murder women? - I guess when the man/men is caught he will say 'voices in my head told me to do it' and then its off for a holiday in Broadmoor at the tax payers expense.
Why are these women still on the street? Shouldnt the police arrest them for their own safety and get them looked after by social services?
As for the police - it seems they are too macho to ask for help. My heart goes out to the parents and family of these women, they must be going through hell.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Bob McC
I don't know how old some of you lot are but I was a young man at the time of the Yorkshire Ripper. Having lived through that I can assure you that the last people you'd want conducting this investigation would be the incompetent buffoons that ran that one.
Oh and by the way prostitution is not a criminal offence in the UK. Soliciting is.
Oh and by the way prostitution is not a criminal offence in the UK. Soliciting is.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Analogue
And most people are assuming the muderer is a man?
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by JamieWednesday
A fair enough assumption given the crime and precedents.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by andy c
quote:My heart goes out to the parents and family of these women, they must be going through hell.
Indeed.
as for some of the other comments - CSI Miami is on telly - thats how its really done...
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Deane F
If I was a cop, I certainly wouldn't be making ANY comment AT ALL on a public forum about a current murder investigation.
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by andy c
Deane,
Nice use of CAPS dude...
Nice use of CAPS dude...
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by Deane F
If I was a cop, I certainly wouldn't be making any comment at all on a public forum about a current murder investigation.
But then, I'm a dude and I just don't know about these things...
But then, I'm a dude and I just don't know about these things...
Posted on: 13 December 2006 by andy c
Deane,
the diff is that sometimes you can think about what you put, and the impact/implications/consequences, can't you?
Thinking of families, and then a sarky comment re some of the dining room investigators hardly places said investigation in jeopardy, does it?
the diff is that sometimes you can think about what you put, and the impact/implications/consequences, can't you?
Thinking of families, and then a sarky comment re some of the dining room investigators hardly places said investigation in jeopardy, does it?
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by Derek Wright
Interesting how some of the Kiwis are making bids to be be moderators and claiming to be on the moral high ground
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by JWM
quote:Originally posted by Rasher:
I don't get it. Ipswich red light district is what, 2-3 streets? I don't understand how 5 girls can be murdered over a short period without the police being to be able to catch the killer. They know the killer will operate within these streets right now, and they know who the targets are. There are probably 45 girls at risk there at a guess. How difficult can it be to look after them?
Rasher, I have to say your opening gambit is in fact based on a false premise. As far as I remember from my many years living there, and continued direct contact with the town through family ties, Ipswich's red light district(s) is(are) more than 4-5 streets, in more than one area, spread quite widely.
Being on the A45/A12 interchange, with a lot of traffic going to/from the North Sea ports of Felixstowe (the biggest container port in Europe) and Harwich, there is plenty of custom available in the local 'big town' of Ipswich.
One feels tremendously sympathetic for the victims and their families. And for the people of Ipswich who I am sure are in a state of shock, revulsion and fear.
And the reason why it is, rightfully, national news is that it is serial killer murder at an unprecedented rate* for Britain. (*Because of which any constabulary would be pushed. Generally speaking, Suffolk Constabulary has an excellent crime solving rate.)
James
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by Rasher
quote:Rasher, I have to say your opening gambit is in fact based on a false premise. As far as I remember from my many years living there, and continued direct contact with the town through family ties, Ipswich's red light district(s) is(are) more than 4-5 streets, in more than one area, spread quite widely
Okay, I was being led by what I have read in the paper and the rest was supposition. I'll buy a different paper today and see what they say.
quote:Many of these women get knocked around and abused by pimps and punters, many are robbed and many are forced into performing degrading acts to get their fix which they need to escape from the reality of what they need to do in order to get the money for their fix!
I think prostitution should be legalised.
Certainly something needs to be done to protect them, but I think they should be asked what they want rather than assuming what is best for them, because none of us really know their lives and circumstances. Nothing is going to happen though, unfortunately, we all know that.
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by Deane F
quote:Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Interesting how some of the Kiwis are making bids to be be moderators and claiming to be on the moral high ground
Derek
If you refer to me, I don't see how I claim to be on any moral high ground. I just can't believe a sworn police officer would make a comment on a public forum about a open investigation. I don't think Andy's post should be moderated - and I don't see the point of your sarcasm. If members can't make replies that are germane to what's already on the board; then there is no forum.
Deane
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by Derek Wright
Just an observation dear boy
If the cap fits .......
If the cap fits .......
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by acad tsunami
quote:Originally posted by Rasher:
Nothing is going to happen though, unfortunately, we all know that.
Very true. Its a bloody disgrace.
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by andy c
Deane - sorry - I now realise you are being serious.
FWIW don't think I don't think about what I post before I do so.
If you feel I have overstepped the mark then thats your choice.
But to be clear all is said was I felt for the families and then that some should watch CSI - a vein attempt at humour.
Finally - I can judge meself what and what not to put - but thanks for reminding me to continue to be uber careful...
FWIW don't think I don't think about what I post before I do so.
If you feel I have overstepped the mark then thats your choice.
But to be clear all is said was I felt for the families and then that some should watch CSI - a vein attempt at humour.
Finally - I can judge meself what and what not to put - but thanks for reminding me to continue to be uber careful...
Posted on: 14 December 2006 by PJT
quote:Originally posted by Derek Wright:
Just an observation dear boy
If the cap fits .......
Careful with the KIWIS comments dude...