Suffolk murders

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Mick parry,

You are a truly repulsive individual with little discernable intelligence, insight, wisdom, understanding or compassion.

So what's your opinion of your own self then, Acad.

Mick

Diseases and accidental deaths are ordinary - insofar as that term can be applied to anyone's end. But murder cuts against the grain of how society has evolved and therefore deserves and attracts more attention.

Deane

Deane's Guide To the Bleeding Obvious Part 444

'Diseases and accidental deaths are ordinary - insofar as that term can be applied to anyone's end. But murder cuts against the grain of how society has evolved and therefore deserves and attracts more attention'.

for those above who were questioning what charging meant, you need to look at the relevant legislation.

It talks about 'sufficient evidence for the prosecution to succeed'. The decision will have gone thru at least three stages I can think of before arriving at the individual being 'charged'.

Now we wait and see if the suspect gets convicted.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Chaps

I find it strange that the murder of 5 drugged up prostitutes causes such concern.

How many people died last week on the roads

How many people died of cancer

How many people died alone in their houses only to be found weeks later.

Did anyone write in about them ?

I find the concern over sex workers a little bit odd.

Regards

Mick

Just read your post Mick - maybe you should come down to Ipswich, bring all the female members of your family, let them out and about for a while when the murders were going on and see how you feel then!
As stated earler, my wife was in Sheffield the night the Yorkshire Ripper was caught and now this - its made her run up to Christmas (along with many, many others around these parts!) a really cheery one.

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Originally posted by acad tsunami:
Deane's Guide To the Bleeding Obvious Part 444 ...

Why the sniping? Deane's reply rebuts Mick's post in a logical and eloquent manner. Your response was to ditch your toys.

Duncan

Two of the above posts, expressing disregard for the brutal murder of five human beings, are quite the most offensive and disgusting filth I have ever read on this (or any other) forum.

There seems to be some lack of thought re implications and consequences re some posts above.

The disregard for the situ the families of those killed find themselves in this time of year should be considered, for one.

Acad

I told you the other day that you are lowering this forum to the level of a school playground and once again you fully demonstrate that is true by over reacting to something that you never properly read and then publish some silly little cartoon that one would expect from a 10 year old school boy.

I did not condone the murder of the 5 prostitutes but made the point that the publicity it attracted seemed out of proportion when compared to the hundreds of other people who die every week, often slowly, and in pain.

Please learn to read documents correctly before blasting off and also please post a cartoon that is appropriate to someone with an IQ of at least 90.

Regards

Mick

Acad

I've just checked in on the forum and found that you have posted a caricature of Adolf Hitler and made snide remarks about Mick Parry. I don't see how that is warranted in the circumstances. I felt Mick was raising a valid question and that he worded it very carefully. It's not a question I would ask - but then I don't enjoy this forum because all of the contributors think like I do; but rather for the opposite reason.

I think you owe Mick an apology. I am also reporting your post with the photograph to the moderators - I tell you this so you are in no doubt as to who raised the objection with Adam.

Deane

HMG Alert

Mick

You have changed your mind then

 
	
	Posted Sat 02 December 2006 12:23 	
Acad

I am begining to like you. I think you can take over from me, I shall soon be hanging up my boots and you seem a worthy successor.

Thank goodness we still have some decent chaps left.

Regards

Mick 

interesting how views change

Derek

I agree, he has been a major disappointment.

There is no reason why he should not improve, he just needs to up the antee.

Regards

Mick

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I find it strange that the murder of 5 drugged up prostitutes causes such concern.

Is this really all you can see? Do you not see someones daughter, a vulnerable, scared girl making ends meet in the only way she can? Can you not see that under different circumstances they could have been our daughters or our loved ones? Do you really write off people as worthless without knowing the first thing about them?
Take a good large whisky this Christmas, sit down quietly and just think about how you ended up where you are today, how lucky you have been, and question whether you shouldn't have understood more along the way, been grateful for who you are, and extend something to those who are less fortunate, even if it's only your wishes.
I'm not getting at you Mick. I have to stop myself all the time and just think, but I'm trying (mostly unsuccessfully).

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making ends meet in the only way she can

Don't be ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Rasher:
Do you not see someones daughter, a vulnerable, scared girl making ends meet in the only way she can?

I think there is a difference between a girl "making ends meet in the only way she can" and "making ends meet in the only way she can make enough money to feed a drug habit".

I wouldn't wish what happened on anybody but there are certain jobs where a certain risk comes with the territory and being a prostitute working the streets is one of them.

I think I said CPS decides on prosecution - so not wrong there;

A judge can throw out a case without any evidence being presented to the jury - on a legal point for example - not wrong there either.

Not that I care, really.

I think the thing for me apparent in this thread is the knee-jerk reactions at the start of it, without being a little calm and awaiting the conclusion to the enq.

I would have to say that the number of murders in the short period of time was somewhat disconcerting, eh?

But, thats human nature for you...

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I think the thing for me apparent in this thread is the knee-jerk reactions at the start of it, without being a little calm and awaiting the conclusion to the enq.

I would have to say that the number of murders in the short period of time was somewhat disconcerting, eh?

But, thats human nature for you...

I fear that the knee-jerk reactions at the start of the thread may well have been conditioned by the media coverage as I have previously stated. I also feel that the need to find someone to blame for these killings caused a few to vie with each other for the honour of being the one to cast the first stone.

The number of murders in a short period of time can be disconcerting depending upon how you view the function of police force and that of the judiciary. If the view is taken that the judiciary by administering the law should act as a means of deterring murder then it may well be disconcerting that in this case it appears to have failed but on the other hand one could draw strength that the police may have the right man in custody in a short time.

I am glad we did not quite get to the point of having mobs roaming the streets looking for people to punish rather like what happened in Paulsgrove not too long ago.

Kudos to the law.

Mick,

I read your post carefully and I am still amazed at your callous disregard for human life. I meant what I said.

Acad

Deane,

What are you the forum snitch? Were you the sneeak at school who informed on classmates? Pathetic. I meant what I said. Anyone who does not hold all human life as sacred and who seeks to make public the fact that they think some humans are less than inportant, less worthy or less human makes themselves a target in my eyes. A true civilised society can measure itself by how well it cares for its most vulnerable and accords them the same rights as it does to everyone else. Lord knows what would happen to them if people like Parry had anything to do with running the country. Human rights are sacred in my opinion and I wont tolerate those who would negotiate them or reduce them.

Acad

Acad

A truly civilised society doesn't exist on ideals or ideology. It's defined on how, as a collective, it copes with the exigencies of life on this planet and with the vagaries of human nature.

A truly civilised human being, when confronted with a person who has expressed an opinion wholly different from their own, attempts to start a dialogue with that person in the hope that they can understand both that person and themselves a little better. Flying off the handle and comparing that person to a genocidal maniac is not civilised behaviour.

Cheers
Deane

The prostitutes surely aren't the point here, are they? Whatever their lifestyles may have been it seems pretty tame compared to somebody who can take life at will, repeatedly, hide the bodies in the countryside, and then live with their conscience among the community.

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Originally posted by Deane F:
Acad

[QUOTE] A truly civilised society doesn't exist on ideals or ideology.

Did I say they do or should?

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It's defined on how, as a collective, it copes with the exigencies of life on this planet and with the vagaries of human nature.

An example of which would be what exactly? What I said earlier I think.

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A truly civilised human being, when confronted with a person who has expressed an opinion wholly different from their own, attempts to start a dialogue with that person in the hope that they can understand both that person and themselves a little better. Flying off the handle and comparing that person to a genocidal maniac is not civilised behaviour.

Chamberlain had the same idea. You must know that some people can not be reasoned with e.g. Im sure those poor women begged for mercy, did they get it? Do you think Hitler would have disagreed with Mick's position? Sometimes a fool deserves to be ridiculed.

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Originally posted by Paul Hutchings:
[QUOTE]

I wouldn't wish what happened on anybody but there are certain jobs where a certain risk comes with the territory and being a prostitute working the streets is one of them.

I agree there is risk. One might even argue that there is a factor of 'contributory negligence' here (certainly some British Judges used to do just that until grew more wise)- the point here is that it is all too easy to say 'Prositutes on the street are asking for it - (not that you have said this) but they are NOT asking for it at all. They are not asking to be raped and murdered they are asking for a straightforward transaction of sex for money and are in no way more justifiably murdered than a sunday school teacher.