Speakers to Suit a Nait5i and CD5i System

I use Neat Petites to good effect with the Nait5, certainly worth investigating.

How about the NEW! Naim Arrivas - if you can wait for them to finish the voicing thereof!
They're supposed to be about £1000 and did actually sound quite good at Heathrow.

David

Hi Jack,

Another endorsment for the Neat Petite's! They are a superb speaker.

Also try the Mission 780's, they are considerably cheaper but worth an audition.

Regards

NB

I guess my only concern with the Neats is the possible lack of bass. For that reason I would prefer a floor-stander although I guess I'd have to raise the budget a bit for that.

Neats lacking bass!

Now there is an interesting statement!

Regards


NB

So if I were to choose ebtween the Elites and the Petites, what are the pros and cons? Except for the price difference of course. I think I am now leaning towards the Elites.

Pocket some cash and try the Neat Mystiques or Critiques.

Then again, how can we make recommendations when nobody's heard the "i" stuff in a hifi shop?

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So have my neighbor's

I have ample bass for my room. You should definetly give them a listen. Visually smaller than a floorstander too, although footprint is the about the same. Like I said, consider them and give them a listen. Mine have an exceptionaly high waf!

The good folk at Neat have suggested that the Mystique may be a better choice than the Elite in this configuration.

Does anyone have any experience of both or any other comment to make?

Kans.

Paul Rowlands

I´ve got Epos M 15 and they sound very good with my Nait :Why don´t you try the Epos M 12?

MY system : Naim Nait 5 amplifier,Naim cd 5 ,Epos M 15 speakers,Naca5,FC2

This just has to rank as one of the most absurd threads ever. A bunch of people discussing speakers suited to components none of them can have any experience of.

If the rest of the advice you guys dish out here comes from the same level of experience, I'll get my hat.

Don't you think you're over-reacting a little Markus?

I was merely trying to get some suggestions for speakers to demo when the new components become available at the end of next month.

I'm very new to the Naim world, but I think it's reasonable to expect that what works well with similarly-powered equipment like the Nait5 or 112/150 will also work well with the new "i" equipment.

Is that really so absurd?

Middle of the road position.

Always try your hardest for a home demo of speakers before buying.
Especially for 2 reasons:
1) Your room will have a big say in how they sound, particularly in terms of bass
2) The equipment the speakers are bolted onto matters enormously.

For best testing you need the Nait 5i to provide the signals. The Naim sound has been evolving and changing with the new products. The Nait5i may sound different.

If you can make do with the Wharfdales which probably ain't half bad until you have your 5i and take a bit longer to save for the speakers it would make sense.

regards
GEOFFP

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Originally posted by Jack911:
Is that really so absurd?

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No. But so hypothetical as to be meaningless. But what's wrong with that? We're chatting here, not writing the ten commandments.

Markus is bang on the money. Ridiculous to suggest speakers for kit one's not even heard (production) values.

A safe bet might be Intro's - but who knows.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Markus and Rico - Shed some density - the fellow is asking for short lists!

Furthermore, the operant differences between 30 watts and 50 watts is insignifigant enough to make what works with a Nait 5 a likely list of candidates for a 5i.

I seriously doubt the 5i is going to change the face of the Naim signature sound, so it is perfectly resonable for Jack garner suggestions in advance.

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Originally posted by Jack911:
Can anyone suggest a good speaker system to suit a Nait5i, CD5i system?

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Bob,

Naim have historically been good at getting a reasonably consistent sound from different components. But, as vigourously discussed on this forum, there has recently been a change/evolution in the Naim house sound. How do we know whether the i components will sound like their predecessors, or whether they will mark a further evolution?

In the case of the Nait 5i, that question is especially relevant as its general design layout (passive pre, more power and possibly different output devices) differs substantially from the Nait 5.

If Jack had asked for a list of likely candidates, I'd have no beef with that. But he specifically asked for speakers that "suited" the new components. And what really does suit them no one outside of Naim HQ can have any idea about.

Do we know anything at all about the load tolerance of the new amp, for example? Maybe speakers that were outside the range for the Nait 5 can be handled by the 5i. Maybe vice versa (although I doubt it).

My point is, there is enough propagation of myths about hi-fi as is, we should not add to it.

Richard, would you care to try an answer to Jack's question?

Markus - I guess we're simply reading Jack's post differently. At the end of the day, a 50 wpc integrated is just that, a low powered integrated.
YOU are seeing it as Jack asking what to buy. I see it as Jack asking what to audition.
Having used the (very excellent) Pass Labs passive preamp with their (even more excellent) 30 wpc class A amplifier for many years as my review reference, I can, based on experience, state that speakers that function with one will be well suited to function with the other.
The subjective evaluation of "good" or "bad" is the province of the listener, in this case, Jack. I am quite qualified to go on and on about passive preamps, but that is off topic.
Having read the thread thus far, I don't see any "myths" being propigated, only constructive suggestions well founded in prior experience concerning compatibility of speakers with low powered amplification.
As to the various comments regarding the lack of uniformity of sonic characteristics in the Naim line-up, I myself have posted on this very subject regarding the CDX2. STILL, the differences between various brands of speakers, or even models in a single line, will far out weigh the evolutionary variances w/in the Naim line. I hope this clarifies things for you

Having heard the New 'i' bits i can tell you they very much have the family sound, so anything that would suit the 5 series will also suit the new stuff.

Havn't heard neats myself but the new B&W 705 works well with Naim stuff, these and stands will be around £1k

Get to a dealer and have a listen, trust your ears, its you that has to live with the result!!

Hmmm, upgrades.

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Originally posted by Markus Sauer:
Do we know anything at all about the load tolerance of the new amp, for example? Maybe speakers that were outside the range for the Nait 5 can be handled by the 5i. Maybe vice versa (although I doubt it).

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Markus,

at the Heathrow show Richard Dane was telling me that the new amp is really pretty powerful into low impedances, quoting some very silly transient figures into 1 ohm which I do not intend to propagate here.

Comparing the Heathrow demo, to my previous very brief experience of CD5 & NAIT5, I would say that the new stuff seems to be quite a bit more muscular.

cheers, Martin

E-mail:- MartinPayne at Dial.Pipex.com

Markus/Rico
Jack has asked for suggestions for speakers for his system, and I've offered my one word.
Now I'll admit I haven't heard a Cd5i/Nait5i, but I have owned a number of Naim systems over the years, but the same set of Kans thoughout.
Nobody is trying to say that he should simply go out and buy 50 sets of speakers because each person here has recommended one or another. However, he certainly does have a shortlist.

Jack - of course, the key thing is to listen to them in your system (and room) and let your ears decide.
(Personally I'd buy 2nd hand, but I'm a cheapskate!)

Paul Rowlands

Sorry guys, I just thought of the tyres thing...

I've driven Goodyear F1's under a BMW e30 with great results, and many e30 owners agree they're a great match... however, I would hesitate recommending someone try them for the forthcoming 3 series - while one is a great tyre, and t'other most likely to be another great car (in a series of great cars), they simply may not be a great match - and with no personal experience of the combo, I'd avoid the recommendations (personally)

No offence intended.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio