SuperNait and UnitiServe

Posted by: ste71 on 10 November 2010

Hello
I have just replaced my old and beloved system (CDS + CDPS, NAC82 + HiCap, NAP250) with a brand new SuperNait and UnitiServe.

I have a couple of questions regarding the UnitiServer setup:

1. Right now I'm controlling the UnitiServer from my iPhone with n-Serve app, and from my iMac which is connected to the same network. I was wondering if I could use a touchscreen monitor connected directly to the UnitiServer back panel. I was thinking about a small monitor, say 10 inches or less. Which model should I look for? Is there any issue I should be aware of? Will *any* touchscreen work?

2. The UnitiServer connected automatically to the existing network. I can access it from my iMac, and from its web interface I can see the volumes of the iMac and the disks which are connected to the iMac. I can also see my PopcornHour C200 and its disks. Unfortunately it seems the UnitiServe can't see my LaCie Network D2 drive, which is actually working perfectly with both the iMac and the Popcorn. Is there a compatibility issue between the Serve and the LaCie disk? Or should I try to change the network setup of the LaCie disk (which actually happens to work properly in the network)?

Any suggest?
Thanks.
Posted on: 10 November 2010 by garyi
Is the lacie set up to broadcast SAMBA (SMB), I would imagine thats how the server will see it.

I suppose any touchscreen that has VGA connection would work on the serve, seems a bit odd doing that though as it would require walking too, I thought the point of this distributed audio stuff was so we could all get even fatter on our sofas?

I have never seen a serve but I assume if it has video feed, could you not hook it up to your TV and navigate with a remote?
Posted on: 10 November 2010 by Klout10
What is it that you don't like about the iPhone with n-Serve app? I don't see the point in getting a separate screen Confused

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 10 November 2010 by ste71
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
Is the lacie set up to broadcast SAMBA (SMB), I would imagine thats how the server will see it.

I suppose any touchscreen that has VGA connection would work on the serve, seems a bit odd doing that though as it would require walking too, I thought the point of this distributed audio stuff was so we could all get even fatter on our sofas?

I have never seen a serve but I assume if it has video feed, could you not hook it up to your TV and navigate with a remote?


Thanks for reply.
I'm not into computer networking that much. As far as I can understand, the LaCie disk has SMB protocol activated and works perfectly with my iMac and the PopCorn media center (wired connection) and my iPad and iPhone (wireless connection via Time Capsule), I don't know what else I should check. Maybe I'll be able to borrow a different network disk, and make some tests during the weekend to see if it's a compatibility issue.

The UnitiServe, as well as the remaining pieces of my audio and video kit, sit on a Quadraspire table very close to my sofa, so there's no need to walk - the chance of getting fatter and fatter on the sofa is not compromised ;-)
My video kit consists of a Sony LCD projector which has HDMI inputs. With some tweaking, I could feed the VGA signal from the UnitiServe into the Sony but I'm reluctant to do so - that would also require the Sony to be turned on while listening to the music.

quote:
Originally posted by Klout10:
What is it that you don't like about the iPhone with n-Serve app? I don't see the point in getting a separate screen Confused

Regards,
Michel


The iPhone app works fine, except that it requires my presence at home. I would like my wife to be able to play music while I'm out in a very simple way. And n-Serve app does not allow full control of the UnitiServe, just playing tracks, no system configuration and so on. Yes there's always the web interface from the iMac.... but that requires having the Mac turned on and walking into another room.
I have just seen very cheap 7" and 8" touchscreen monitors on eBay and was wondering if they would work fine with the UnitiServe, that's what I thought the VGA socket on the back panel was designed for.

Cheers
Stefano
Posted on: 10 November 2010 by David Dever
quote:
I would like my wife to be able to play music while I'm out in a very simple way.

Any Flash-capable web browser will do.
Posted on: 10 November 2010 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
quote:
I have just seen very cheap 7" and 8" touchscreen monitors on eBay and was wondering if they would work fine with the UnitiServe, that's what I thought the VGA socket on the back panel was designed for.

Hi Stefano,

They should. But the experience of using the Serve interface on a good touchscreen is worth spending a bit of money on. I've been controlling my Serve with the n-Serve app for two months, but a touchscreen is on my Christmas list. Have a look at Elo and Acer.

Jan
Posted on: 16 November 2010 by connon price
would an iPad be useful in this scenario? I think so.
Posted on: 17 November 2010 by ste71
quote:
Originally posted by connon price:
would an iPad be useful in this scenario? I think so.


You can use an iPad and the iPhone-native app n-Serve, it will work just as an iPhone (just bigger).
I think SongBook is an iPad-native app, but it seems some users have reported some bugs. I have no experience with SongBook.

Unfortunately at present both iPhone and iPad do not support Flash, which is required to control the UnitiServe via web interface.

When (and if) the new iPad OS will be Flash compatible, I guess the iPad could be used as a very nice remote for the UnitiServe (you don't even have to buy any app).
Posted on: 17 November 2010 by Dungassin
quote:
Originally posted by ste71:
Hello
I have just replaced my old and beloved system (CDS + CDPS, NAC82 + HiCap, NAP250) with a brand new SuperNait and UnitiServe.

Just curious. Why did you ditch your 82/HiCap/250 for the Supernait? Was it because the Supernait has a DAC built in, or did you find the Supernait sounded better than your old Olive stuff. If the latter, had you considered recapping your Olive gear? Alternative perhaps was to buy a nDAC - or possibly an HDX instead of the Unitiserve? Or ... were you trying to reduce the box count? Not criticising, just curious.
Posted on: 17 November 2010 by Tog
quote:
Originally posted by ste71:
quote:
Originally posted by connon price:
would an iPad be useful in this scenario? I think so.


You can use an iPad and the iPhone-native app n-Serve, it will work just as an iPhone (just bigger).
I think SongBook is an iPad-native app, but it seems some users have reported some bugs. I have no experience with SongBook.

Unfortunately at present both iPhone and iPad do not support Flash, which is required to control the UnitiServe via web interface.

When (and if) the new iPad OS will be Flash compatible, I guess the iPad could be used as a very nice remote for the UnitiServe (you don't even have to buy any app).


Ipad native N-stream/serve apps due soon I believe - flash available on Ipad when Hell freezes over - Songbook full of more bugs than a CIA briefing.

Apple now investing heavily in Java development (with their own twist no doubt)and HTML5/CS3 is their prefered way forward in a post flash world.

Flash runs horribly slow on Android and to be honest the ipad is better without it.

Tog
Posted on: 17 November 2010 by ste71
quote:
Originally posted by Dungassin:
quote:
Originally posted by ste71:
Hello
I have just replaced my old and beloved system (CDS + CDPS, NAC82 + HiCap, NAP250) with a brand new SuperNait and UnitiServe.

Just curious. Why did you ditch your 82/HiCap/250 for the Supernait? Was it because the Supernait has a DAC built in, or did you find the Supernait sounded better than your old Olive stuff. If the latter, had you considered recapping your Olive gear? Alternative perhaps was to buy a nDAC - or possibly an HDX instead of the Unitiserve? Or ... were you trying to reduce the box count? Not criticising, just curious.


Main reasons for replacing the system were:

1. risk of failure of the 1991 CDS. It has been working great for nearly 20 years, but it is my understanding that it might suddenly die, and no fixing is possible.

2. time for listening to music has decreased over the years, so I really wanted to keep things as simple as possible, and was considering a NaimUniti. I was ready to accept a certain decrease in performance.

I actually had never heard and compared a new system to with the old one. When I went to the shop, the dealer was able to demonstrate both systems, and strongly recommended the SN + US over the NaimUniti, he also made a great offer for the trade.
Frankly speaking, I really preferred the new system over the other one. I haven't heard other systems or combo though. I just happened to like it, and purchased it with no regrets. The side effect is that I'm re-discovering my CDs, and I'm spending more time listening to the music than expected.

Oh, I forgot to add that the StageLine (that the dealer threw in the deal) has brought my P9 to a new life as well.
I'm enjoying the system so much, and couldn't resist from buying a power supply (just arrived but not connected yet). Yes keeping the number of boxes low was a priority, but listening to music has now become more important than expected.

I didn't consider any other pieces of kit (HDX, DAC...), I think SN and US is a great match from a logical point of view, besides musical performance, because there is everything you need in a two-boxes-system (well, three with the PS which has just arrived).

Recapping has been considered but cost-wise I thought it was not effective (NAP250 + CDPS + HiCap), and that would have not improved the CDS life.
To be frank, I was not prepared for these results and I really think my kit was in serious need of a recapping. Maybe there has been a drop in performance that I had not realized until I listened to another system.

Hope this helps, do feel free to ask other questions.
Posted on: 17 November 2010 by connon price
I guess I'm not understanding what control is had on the flash based browser UI that's not available with the app. Can't build a playlist presently on app but unless you need to control the shares and change genre, etc, straightforward browsing and playing is easier on app because of scrolling.

Sounds like you are having a lot of fun with your music again. Congratulations.
Posted on: 17 November 2010 by Jon Myles
quote:


Flash runs horribly slow on Android and to be honest the ipad is better without it.

Tog


Very true. Although iPhone/iPad's lack of it can at times be a hassle.
But - as Mr Jobs has made abundantly clear - they won't be getting it. Ever.