Tempered or normal clear glass?

Hello again

I use tempered glass with polished edges.

It is also tougher than normal clear glass.

Doug

I believe that the glass on the Fraimes are tempered. However, the Fraimes are quite a complicated mixture of glass, stainless steel balls, MDF and steel spikes. Therefore, you would probably need to experiment to determine whether "regular" or tempered is most suitable in your set up.

regards,

Joe

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Originally posted by Dougunn:
Hello again

I use tempered glass with polished edges.

It is also tougher than normal clear glass.

Doug

Hi Dougunn,
I was hoping for your reply! Are tempered glass just safer but has the same attributes in sound deadening to that of normal clear ones? If you know.

Vampy, I would certainly use tempered glass in the home, there is an element of safety.

Normal glass creates nasty shards and therefore very dangerous, especially if there is kids around.

I believe that everything produced on a commercial level has to have tempered glass, coffee tables, cabinet doors etc.

I would certainly pay the extra.

Regards

Guy

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Originally posted by joesilva:
I believe that the glass on the Fraimes are tempered. However, the Fraimes are quite a complicated mixture of glass, stainless steel balls, MDF and steel spikes. Therefore, you would probably need to experiment to determine whether "regular" or tempered is most suitable in your set up.

regards,

Joe

I'm currently using a piece of granite use in kitchen as hard top and very please with the result especially enhanced by sitting it on ss ball bearings.

Vamp

Honestly I didn't do any comparison between regular glass vs tempered. I went for what was closest to Naim's Fraim - thinking they had probably done the comparison already.

Mind you, there is probably some EU regulation stipulating the use of tempered glass (as it is safer).

I would like to tell you what I paid for mine but I can't honestly remember! Do shop around though as this is the kind of thing (in my experience) that can vary wildly in price.

What I can tell you is that glass does introduce a lean fast quality to the sound - which compliments Naims house style greatly. Incidentally I am currently having some interesting results using glass shelves on top of BASE isolation shelves. These are, on their own, not good but (so far) used with glass shelves the results are startlingly good.

Good luck with your experiments.

Doug

Cheers Doug! I suppose around £65 for 3 pcs of tempered glass arent that bad.

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I believe that everything produced on a commercial level has to have tempered glass, coffee tables, cabinet doors etc.

From what I understand, a Mana glass is not tempered.
It's supposed to be regular glass with all sides polished with damping strips. ( to minimise the ringing I guess )

I haven't ABed it with a Fraim glass.

Altho, I am risking to be called mad, listen to the both sides of a Fraim glass. They sound different.

What's ringing?

Vampy, ringing is the glass resonating, due, usually to sound.

Kuma, to sell products like Mana stands in the EC the glass has to be tempered, or have some form of toughening, or laminating. Regular glass is not allowed on safety grounds. I don't think Hi-Fi is excepted.

Regards

Guy

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Kuma, to sell products like Mana stands in the EC the glass has to be tempered, or have some form of toughening, or laminating. Regular glass is not allowed on safety grounds. I don't think Hi-Fi is excepted.

ah.. then I stand corrected.

My friend Martin Payne (who has been absent from these pages of late) has experimented with this, and found that the two types of identical looking glass do indeed produce a different sound from the piece of kit that they support.

I can confirm that Naim Fraim glass is toughened to meet the safety regulations.

John.

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I suppose around £65 for 3 pcs of tempered glass arent that bad.

....that's about what I paid for tempered glass.

....by the way, I have experimented extensively with tempered glass on spikes/ball bearings with the electronics in a different room to the speakers (minimizing airbourne vibration), thinking that this would be close to Fraim principles, however when compared it to the real thing, Fraim blew my home made hotch potch into next week....

....something very special going on with Fraim. The whole is so much more than the sum of the parts IMHO....

PS,

Thanks for clearing this out. However, considering the price difference of 1000:1 between the "real" thing and home made glass and ball bearings, it justifies themselves for the layout IMHO.
In life, you always get what you pay for!