Searclight Tea Party ... Americans have had enough of OBAMA ??

Wow - she can read. Who would have thought it? How desperatley sad (and worrying)that anyone would vote for a cretin like Palin. She even makes Bush jnr look bright.

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Originally posted by Geoff P:

Friends of mine from several locations around the US are all hoping this will have an impact.

Geoff

A typical American is smarter than these friends, LOL.

Don't misuderstand this is not really about Palin the more fundemental thing is the widespread disgust with the way Obama has pushed the country, riding roughshod over clear volume dissent to ram his public health bill thru for example.

Fully understand that this is about Obama but I happen to agree fully with what he has been doing. This man has guts, and I also fully understand the extreme right are not happy, and the GOP politicians are taking advantages of that.

Palin-backed candidates are 0-for-5 in recent primaries. Have Americans had enough of Palin?

To your point, there is widespread disgust with government, period - Obama is neither particularly singled out nor particularly immune.

Jay

Obama is a brilliant orator and he won the election on rhetoric. The problem being, not only is he continuing that rhetoric, it is spreading throughout his administration.

Just witness todays speech by Mrs Clinton in Pakistan, empty, shallow and insincere. She just played to the gallery and it showed.

I am 61 years of age and for the first time in my life, I trust the American President less that I would trust a used car salesman.

He has devalued your nation considerably.

Regards

Mick

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:

As always, I find your opinions on American politics valueless.

Jay

Fair enough but you have to admit that Obama does come across as insincere.

He is your President and not mine, so it's not really my problem but when senior politicians are seen to lack honesty, thats when problems start.

Regards

Mick

It's tempting to say nothing but a world on which anyone cam suggest that Obama is in anyway worse than Bush and their ilk and actually expect people to believe that is a world gone mad.

Obama is s great orator but there is a huge difference between that and rhetoric. His record prior to the election suggest that he was stronger on action than rhetoric by some distance but a president has to walk some unexpected and fine lines. Hardly a surprise then.

The accusation of railroading and ignoring mass dissent is laughable. Remind me, how did you get to Iraq again???

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Fair enough but you have to admit that Obama does come across as insincere.

Actually, I don't.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:

Fair enough but you have to admit that Obama does come across as insincere.

No, I don't admit that at all ... in fact, I find Obama quite sincere, the first sincere president in a long time. Bush Jr. was insincerity personified, even Clinton seemed insincere. And Reagan embraced insincerity as his life's work.

The problem is that Obama has to undo not only the enormous amount of damage caused by the Bush Jr. cabal, but the ingrained systemic damage caused by the corporatocracy which has taken over the government in the course of the last 30+ years, courtesy of the floodgates opened by Reagan.

Obama has only had 19 months to try to reverse that damage, damage which all too many Americans are just now starting to notice as the BushCo/ReaganInc chickens come home to roost, crapping all over just about everything.

Hi Fred Simon

Hasn't worked well at all has it?

http://www.reuters.com/article...19?type=politicsNews

I am sure I sound aggressive but I think we will all recall your hatred of Bush and the juvenile logic that was displayed during the election.

Sincerely,

Jim

I find a few scary things about US politics

Number one is the extreme polarisation & hostile reaction it seems to attract.

Obama is a man who believes in what he believes in & is driven enough to fight for & succeed in taking that to the highest office in the land. He believes in the health bill & has pushed it thru. I too would be upset if I was working & had a good health insurance cover, but conversely if I was out of work, of an age that employers were not recruiting & maybe had potential health issues on the horizon, I would be happy.

Bush was also driven. OK it may seem to many (maybe to most) that his driven desire was to trash Sadam to secure world oil stability (???) Or maybe in some perverse way finish the job his Dad didn't (have the balls to finish // had the political wisdom not to)

The other scary thing is the public face of past present & potential presidential candidates. Wisdom & sincerity seem to be completely missing
People like Palin, her speeches seem to indicate she is as stable & well versed as one her namesakes MPFC characters.
Bush gave the appearance of not able to string 2 words together without dropping in a goof.
Obama seems to be so-o slick on verbal skills its becoming like irritating but longer than Blair sound bites, maybe the gospel church preacher style suits some US citz., but it sure does not do that in some parts.
Whatever all these people somehow got to be state governors and/or executive political positions. So I guess something about them has shown the strength & wisdom & all the positives that we hope for in our politicians
Surely the US population is not that gullable. ?? (??) or is that scary too ??

Then we get into the rhetoric that bounces around in this forum.
Its an amusing read folks, keep it up.

Thank goodness we have bland & boring Dave & Nick, & here's looking forward to the next new/old versions of the other lot TBA sometime soon at a party conference near you.

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I too would be upset if I was working & had a good health insurance cover

Why?

Maybe I should have used the words - "might" be upset

The argument is that if I have good heath plan, why should I may more tax dollars.
Medicare payroll tax goes from 1.45% to 2.35% on incomes over $200k in Dec 2011 & up to 5.4% on incomes over $500k in Nov 2010.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I am 61 years of age and for the first time in my life, I trust the American President less that I would trust a used car salesman.

Mick, you may have missed it, but you had someone dumber than any used car salesman in power for eight years.

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Originally posted by Mike-B:
Bush was also driven.

Many of us suspected that was because he hadn't passed his driving test.

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It is the same old argument, some Americans do not care if the poor die. Some do.

The same thing happened in the UK sixty years ago. When the national health system came into being, the true horrors of not having care for the poor were shown to the doctors who opened their doors to the new system.

They found themselves treating hernias that had grown for years, but because of the cost of seeing doctor, has simple been held in place with a truss, and the patient became deformed through the stress they placed on the body.

Just prior to the last US election I saw an interview with a mother who had a few weeks to live from what would have been a relatively easy to treat caner, had she been able to see a doctor early enough. She was voting for an administration she would not see, but might make life for her children better.

Leaving the health care as it was, would have been insincere and the easy way, but Obama has chosen to take on vested interests, and make American pay a little more for a better society. He might not be popular when people see their tax demands, but sincerity does not seem to be something he has a problem with.

In the UK we have had such an example of an insincere leader in Blair to compare to, that Obama does not register on that scale.

Mike-B,

If the new public provision was as good as your private plan, you'd be able to save some money. If you thought your plan was better, you'd keep it on. I don't see a problem.

David, simplz - another tax & big brother telling us what to do.

BTW - I am not US, but having worked with US cmpy's in Europe & in US for many years & with e-mail & visting friends on both sides of the argument, I have a broad spec view & have formed my own opinion(s)

Nice to discuss with you, but I am not for or against the health plan, I am just putting one side of the argument
But I am very persuaded that Bush had no justification for invading Iraq.

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But I am very persuaded that Bush had no justification for invading Iraq

At last, this is the only thing that you said right about the US.

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Originally posted by Mike-B:
David, simplz - another tax & big brother telling us what to do.

BTW - I am not US

So, by telling "us" what to do, you mean not you.

jayad, I am averse to any and all big brother activity

"US" as in me & you - not the US of A - is the global us - black, white and all in between from north east south & west
Human nature in my opinion is designed to be self sufficient, it might be we take the easy options with some collective activities, but when the chips are down, its self preservation. Or at least that's how I see it.

I inherited the UK health system & can do little about that
It is generally an OK system & I must say its bad mouthed in a very incorrect & misinformed way by the anti-health bill people I know in USA.

I choose to make an OK system much better by adding my own private plan. Yes I am financially fortunate compared to others and am able to do this even in retirement. Maybe that's because I made it that way & I like to think it is as a result of my inbuilt self preservation.

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Originally posted by Mike-B:
jayad, no my friend, I am averse to any and all big brother activity

"US" as in me & you - not the US of A - is the global us - black, white and all in between from north east south & west
Human nature in my opinion is designed to be self sufficient, it might be we take the easy options with some collective activities, but when the chips are down, its self preservation. Or at least that's how I see it.
Those not able to do so IMO have been trained, educated, programmed or brainwashed into a subversive role by said Big Brother

Yes, I get it. You describe the outcome of a U.S. problem being that Big Bro' will reign all-Brotherful over those affected, then go on to say you are not part of the U.S. Hence, whatever the outcome of the health care debate in the U.S., you won't be one of the "us". I understand.

Anyway, I do wonder what your outlook would be had you been as deeply affected by some other novel (say, A Confederacy of Dunces, or maybe, As I Lay Dying) as you appear to have been by 1984.

jayad, my outlook on life is mine & I see no point in trading punches over a forum.
I respect & am tolerant of most all other points of view provided they are reasonable & don't offend.
My outlook on life is not something I feel a need to push on others if they don't want it, I am a free society totalitarian.
I am (was) not influenced by Orwell or Faulkner, I have not read the other book you mentioned, but will give it a read sometime.

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Originally posted by Mike-B:
I have not read the other book you mentioned, but will give it a read sometime.

It's a good 'un. Prepare to LOL.

The impression I get from the media is that Americans are obsessed with 'taxes' (of all types) and don't want to pay anything. How do they expect to have a police service/fire service/public administratio/etc if no-one pays any taxes?

As for Palin, the thought that she could ever become the leader of the world's most powerful nation (at the moment) frightens the life out of me. Her lack of awareness of the world outside of the US and the narrowness of her views are terrifying.

steve