Military and Clock.

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 16 September 2006

Dear Friends,

Those who have followed my posts in this part will by now know that I am fonder of Haydn's Symphonies than those of his friend Mozart. The opposite situation exists, of course in the matter of concertos!

But where do do you find performances of Haydn that are as fine as those regularly devoted to Mozart? Well the answer to that is that great Haydn playing is much rarer than great Mozart playing, but it certainly exists.

Today I found two of Haydn's Symphonies, the Clock (101) and the Military (100) on BBC Legends where Eugen Jochum leads the LPO in a live RFH concert which is just splendid. One would not begin to guess that at the time Jochum was a very old man, or given the absense of slips that this is a live concert. But the readings are earthy, robust, and most of all deeply satisfying at bringing out Haydn game sense of wit - both the humourous and wise implications. Essentially they underline the sunny disposition of the music. The playing finds quite quick tempi that never sound rushed or forced but taking the excitement of the music as its cue.

It is not to be forgotten that Haydn invented the Scherzo, not Beethoevn, who simply invented the name. For Haydn these late Minuets and Trios were to be taken rather faster than a true minuet, which is a stately dance [usually about 100 crochets per minute], and symphonically the greatest example of the old style may, perhaps, be found in the Jupiter Symphony of Mozart, but Haydn, in the mid 1790s was alread more modern than time allowed Mozart to be even in his last Symphonic compositions.

The point is not lost on Jochum who certain makes these dance along at a most satisfying one in a bar! Certainly he may shake some dust out of the old music along the way, but some may share my view that this is a wonderful characterisation what what is implied in the Music. It is faster than Davis (Philips) and Beecham begins to sound rather stately in the style after this! Mind Beecham has unique insights, not so easily dismissed.

I really want to highlight this issue, as it seems much to good to miss, and many who are not conversant with Haydn's music, and may consider the Brucknerian Jochum a rather unlikely exponent, will likely as not pass over it. Please do not, but obtain it. I believe DG have the full set of London Symphonies out under Jochum at present. The concerts and recording were concurrent.

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 16 September 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

It really pleases me that you liked this set.

I couldn't agree more that people might not expect this sort of playing from Jochum, and the DG cycle was one of the things that prompted me to start my Jochum thread.

Actually, his reading didn't seem that quick to me in general (though it's been a while since I listened to these and I had come from Bernstein). Indeed, Davis's, which I've just been listening to, seem quicker - perhaps though it is more that they are weightier.

Fascinating to read about minuets and scherzos - I had no idea. That said, I do recall the liner notes for the DG cycle (which I cannot recommend highly enough, and while I love Davis and Bernstein, would be the one I took to a desert island - it also has the added bonus disc of 88 and 98 with the BPO and 92 with the BRSO) that the minuets are key to these works, and certainly felt that Jochum draws them out in a unique way.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 17 September 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

Before I went to bed last night I put on 100 from Jochum's DG cycle - you are quite right, he is significantly faster than Davis. I wonder why Davis felt as quick as he did when I listened recently. I suspect it's that 100 is a comparitively brisk work and that a lot of his earlier readings really are fairly slow. That said, it never feels hurried, in much the same way as Davis never feels slow - they choose their tempi in these works and consistently convince you that that is the only tempo at which it should be played - a sign, if ever there was one, of great artistry.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 20 September 2006 by Big Brother
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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
I am fonder of Haydn's Symphonies than those of his friend Mozart. The opposite situation exists, of course in the matter of concertos!

................................................................ Dear Fredrik and/or Tam, But did Haydn compose any conceros of note. The well known one for trumpet is not attributed to Haydn, or am I wrong in this? Regards ... BB
Posted on: 20 September 2006 by Michael_B.
BB: Yes. Piano, flute, cello....

Cheers

Mike
Posted on: 20 September 2006 by u5227470736789439
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Originally posted by Big Brother:
quote:
Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
I am fonder of Haydn's Symphonies than those of his friend Mozart. The opposite situation exists, of course in the matter of concertos!

................................................................ Dear Fredrik and/or Tam, But did Haydn compose any conceros of note. The well known one for trumpet is not attributed to Haydn, or am I wrong in this? Regards ... BB


Dear Big brother,

The Trumpet Concerto is not of dubious authenticity, but there is an Oboe Concerto in C which is, and some have cast doubt on the Second Cello Concerto in D, though no case has been prooved. Both of cello concerti are are in the catalogue that Haydn kept all his life which contains the first few bars of each piece.

But the Trumpet Concerto is genuine.

There are at least 11 keyboard concertos, but these hark back to an older style, almost similar to the very early Cello Concerto in C, and do not very much represent Haydn's genius. Fot that the areas to examine are the String Quartets, the Piano Trios, Piano Sonatas, and of course the Symphonies, as well as his great mass settings...

He also wrote a great many operas, which have compleltly fallen out of the repertoire!

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 20 September 2006 by Big Brother
Dear Fredrik

The works I get on with of Papa Haydn are the String Quartets. The Symphonies all start sounding the same to me IMHO. No doubt about it they are great works and he did bring the form to it's maturity.

I guess it's easy for me to remember certain works as opposed to others. For example Schumann wrote four symphonies and I could recall the themes and hum them to you of each movement of all four,. Same thing with Brahms and the three famous ones of Mendelsohn, plus his violin concerto. In fact, I found an old record of the Mendelsohn Concerto and can't get the damn tunes out of my head for a week now.

Not many people who are music lovers would have problems remembering the tunes in Berlioz's Symphony Fantastique.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the works merit, which will be argued by music scholars far more knowlegeable than me. This is why I keep asking dumb questions about Haydn as I feel like there is much more there than I, as a music ignoramous, can possibly fathom....

Kind Regards, Big Brother