First "Classical" Piano Pieces.

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 28 August 2005

Dear Friends,

In the Hifi Corner discussion recently turned towards torturing programmes for amps, ans as it was one of my Threads (A Thought To Good Not To Share.), things soon enough veered from the Hifi to music! One or two folk wanted some recomendations for good introductory works played om the piano, in the classical repertoire - a huge areas of course - and so I will suggest a few things and perhaps some others would like to post their own favourites, which also fulfill the need to be fine "as introductory music in the classical way" played on the piano.

Erik Satie: Three Gymnopedes. (Naxos have a good Satie recital out at budget price).

Greig: Any thing! Greig was a great miniaturists, and his most beautiful efforts were wrttien for the piano and generally for amateurs to play. The Sonata is much harder to grasp at first. (Again Naxos have a superb series of the complete piano music under way).

Chopin: Walzes. Lipatti on EMI, is a fine starting point here though the recording is mono. I hope some will broaden the Chopin recomendations here. It is a real black hole for me, and could hardly be less like nold JSB!

Liszt: The Sonata (in B minor?) contains the famous Funeral March. Again I hope some who enjoy the romantic repertoire will broaden this. It really is NOT my favourite area.

Beethoven: The named Sonatas are all good value as a starting point, with the thought that the Hammerklavier is definately not a starting point! oncce you start on this you will definately proceed over the years to investigate the whole 32 Sonatas, but I would suggest also looking at the Piano Concertos. Stephen Bishop Kovasovich made a superb set in the 1960s with Colin Davies, which is permannently in the catalogue. Not only is iit, by now in the budget price bracket, but the set is still among the very best.

Schubert: Impromtus. Get Perahia. This is splendid, and will cause you to get further into Schubert. The Marches miltaires are splendid fun ( and not the least military!) as well. My favourites here are Schnabel, Artur and Karl Ulrich - father and son respectively, who make a wonderful duo - and the 1930's recordings are surprisingly fresh. Actuallly both Schnabel and Edwin Fischer made absolutely winning sets of the Impromtus as well, done in 1950 and 1938 respectively, so you may want to take a view on the old recording as compared to the modern very fine digital for Perahia... Of course this barely scratches the surface of Schubert's output for piano. Of the sonatas the big on in B flat D 960 is splendid as a more demanding starting point, and here I would recomemnd Clifford Curzon on Decca.

Haydn wrote a huge quantity of piano Sonatas, and they are a ceasely source of fascination to me. The best thing if you have enough determination is to get McCabe's set on Decca, but the scale of it may be offputting. It does contain amongst the best keyboard performances on record of this charming, beautiful music, which actually is just as profound at times as anything by Beethoven or Schubert, but always in relatively short (10 or 21 minutes usually) pieces.

Mozart: I have never quite got the same pleasure from these Sonatas (as a whole) as I do from Haydn, but they6 are plentifully available. The Turkish Rondo is the Finale to the Sonata in A major, KV 331. This will as fine an entry point as eny in my view. Also there is a charming set of variations on what is known in the Anglo-phone world as Twinkle, Twinkle Little star..." called Twelve Variations on, "Ah, vous diria-je Mamoan." Look out Haskils performance (in stereo!) on DG, which is coupled with the piano Concertos Nos 13 and 20. Thirteen is charming, while 2o is terrifying in musical terms. The time when the content almost bursts the classical framework with its intensity.

Bach: Now I have general problem with the iano in Bach, even though others will consider it the instrument of choice, I still retain the view that mostly Bach goes better on the Harpsichord. So I shall be very specific in the performances here, as these really are fine, and transcend the fact they arfe on the wrong instrument! Saint Anne Prelude and Fugue, in E flat (arr Busoni) played by Edwin Fischer (on Pearl and recorded in 1934). Partita Number One in B flat played by Dinu Lipatti on EMI and recorded in 1950. This last is a recording of a selection of Bach, Scarlatti, Mozart and Schubert, which ought to be obtained as it will give pleasure to anyone with an ear to hear! EMI have it out in the Great Recording Of The Century series at the moment, so my older transfer number will not help! This I think will be among the finest starting points!

I hope other will broaden the above recomendations, and really I hope people will refrain from general compare and contrast type discussions, and stick to "their " favourite introductory piano recordings, to help other dip thier toes, as it were, into this lovely and most varied field.

Sincerely, Fredrik Fiske
Posted on: 15 April 2006 by u5227470736789439
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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Friends,
[...].

Liszt: The Sonata (in B minor?) contains the famous Funeral March. Again I hope some who enjoy the romantic repertoire will broaden this. It really is NOT my favourite area.

[...].

Sincerely, Fredrik Fiske


Dear Friends,

Thanks Tam for bringing this back to life!

I think I made a mistake over the Funeral March! It's by Chopin isn't it? Or perhaps it is by Liszt. I will try to find out. I have a feeling I was wrong though...

It is such a long time since I heard it is the context of a piano performance! I will try to find out this afternoon.

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 15 April 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

It's the Chopin second sonata (in B flat minor, 3rd movement, to be specific). The Ashkenazy recording is rather fine.

I have a big box of list (Jorge Bolet sp?) is the pianist but I don't overly care for the repertoire.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 15 April 2006 by fred simon
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Originally posted by Tam:
I don't think there was a consensus against Bach on the piano


Tam, you're right. Delete the word "prevalent" from my post. Although I do encounter that opinion surprisingly often.

By the way, I recommend the recording of the Well Tempered Clavier by Keith Jarrett on the ECM label. As a pianist with feet firmly planted in the jazz world as well as the classical world, he brings something different to the table, and it's a good thing he brings.

Jarrett understands the subtle internal swing of Bach's music (and I don't mean "swing" like the Swingle Singers singing Bach, which I don't like).

Jarrett's approach is one in which everything needed from Bach's music is in the notes themselves, no overt emoting necessary. This results in a refreshingly unfettered performance.

Fred


Posted on: 15 April 2006 by Tam
Fred,

Thanks for the recommendation (I shall keep my eyes open for it). I recently came across Jacques Loussier who does jazz trio arrangements of the likes of the Brandenburg concertos (which I found rather enjoyable), but that's wandering a little off-topic Winker


regards, Tam
Posted on: 16 April 2006 by Earwicker
This thread needs someone to speak up for poor Liszt!

Looking back, the flavour of the thread seems to be first "classical" pieces, and Liszt isn't really a good place to start; nonetheless:

B minor Sonata:
Brendel (Philips Dig) or
Richter (BBC Legends, live at the Aldeburgh fest)

Harmonies poétiques et religieuses
Steven Osborne (Hyperion)

There's also a valuable recent recording of the B minor by Paul Lewis, which has the advantage of fabulous sound, and also contains a much-needed selection of late Liszt, including Unstern and La Lugubre Gondola; essential listening!

Digressing, I'd also like to enter a plea for Brendel's recording of Schubert's last three sonatas on Philips Duo (budget price); I bought it as a student when I was getting to know these master pieces for the first time, and my admiration remains undiminished; they are quite sublime.

EW
Posted on: 16 April 2006 by u5227470736789439
Originally posted by fred simon:

I don't agree at all with the prevalent opinion here that Bach doesn't make it on piano. On the contrary, having played, and listened to, a lot of Bach on piano, my strong conviction is that if the pianoforte had been around in Bach's time, he would have been delighted with how his music sounded with its expanded expressive palette (compared to the clavier, etc.).

Fred
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Dear Fred [Simon],

I don't say that (as you put it) Bach does not make it on the piano, but simply that it invariably is preferable for the instrument it was written for. As for the piano not exisiting it Bach's time, of course the instrument was already invented and Bach almost certainly knew of its existence! By the standard of the Mozart's Piano it was a primitive instrument, and Bach seems not to have found the developement of any interest...

Had Bach been writing for the piano he would written music that exploits piano technique and expressive methods, rather than the techniques and expressive methods of the harpsichord, clavichord, or in many cases the organ.

Fredrik Fiske

PS: My point about the harpsichord being preferable does require that we are comparing truly grand readings. A poor performance on the harpsichord can easily be beaten by a fine performance on the piano!