Dev's cartridge shoot out.

Posted by: Dev B on 05 January 2004

My disclaimer: none of the cartridges below are bad, they are just different flavours and this is just me so take everything with a sprinkling of ear-wax.

I have been wanting to post about cartridges in a long time since I have quite a lot to say about them and have tried and heard quite a few since June 2003 when I got bored my Arkiv B (which is a great cartridge BTW, but can be bettered) or perhaps it got bored with me.

The background to Arkiv leaving chateau Dev's RIP was that getting my 52/SuperCap serviced and recapped at Naim exposed some nasties and fierceness and tirednesss in the top end of that cartridge that my system was revealing, so it went and in came a Dynavector XX-2. Now I know this is loved by many and for a few records I was seduced. Voices were more emphasised compared to the Arkiv and it was more revealing, however I didn't like how this was being revealed, and there was this really tight bass (...and my system has bass that is tighter than a badgers arse so it didn't need that!). Also it didn't like flow, I mean join everything up to make everything flow like music should. But I persisted, fitted the heavier counterweight on the Aro and adjusted it with fanatical precision, and then I got a good sound. The bass came back and I quite liked it...bit the XX-2 is very clean not bright though and if you system is wooly dowm below it might just work. Anyhow, the XX-2 went and the new owner loves it totally! I told Mr new owner that I didn't really "get it" but I did suspect that he might and he does which is great! I didn't like the 17D2 Mk1 either when I had it before so at least I am consistent.

OK lets move on, I wanted to hear a bit of the classic Linn sound and remember what my old Troika was like so I got an original unmodded Karma and really liked it, it made bass guitar sound just like I remember it, but it didn't have much resolution but it gave me a feel. Then I got a redone Troika which didn't work at the beginning, then I learnt something about moving coils is that they take time to work i.e they need hours under them and they have to be set up like a bastard, and also the bass is the thing that comes good over time and they loose a bit of fierceness. Anyway the Troika came good and was like a better Karma, although it didn't have the scale of the Arkiv or Dynavector, but I preferred it for it's bass and timing qualities, but it didn't have the grandeur or lushness or scale that I wanted.

So move over to my three way cartridge shoot out, very kindly hosted by Richard Dane of Naim (big thanks guys for the hospitality) while I was picking something up...so in the left corner was a Clearaudio Accurate , in the right corner was a Ortofon SPU Royal N (which was installed in their Linn) and the referee was my Linn Troika. It was a half serious test...I mean this is me and I don't do the critical listening thing (sitting naked, glasses off and stoned) anymore...but was clear enough to work out which I preferred, and for me I didn't really get on with the Clearaudio, I mean it was super clear and transparent and all that but my musical taste is more than flamenco guitar, so it was a no go area. The Ortofon SPU was a revelation, I mean this thing does bass and it does scale and it flows, it blew me away...it is warm, big, powerful, evenhanded and really dynamic but dynamic in every way I mean top and bottom. The biggest thing is that it sort of makes the Linn sound like a Linn with all of it's charms in tact, but some of the others make the Linn sound a bit like a Roksan or Rega P9.

Anyway enough rambling, gotta go. Happy new year to you all!

regards

Dev
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Dev

Any reason for not trying the Akiva, as you liked the Troika and Boron?

Regards

Mike

On the Yellow Brick Road and Happy
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by Richard Dane
quote:
Originally posted by Dev B:
It was a half serious test...I mean this is me and I don't do the critical listening thing (sitting naked, glasses off and stoned) anymore...


Phew! A lucky escape for me then Dev.... Wink

Richard
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by Dev B
quote:
Originally posted by James:
Dev,

If you like groove, flow and PRAT aplenty, you owe it to yourself to try an upmarket Lyra. Minimum spec Helikon SL ...

James


Greetings James,

I haven't heard the regular or SL Lyra, but I have heard the Arkiv B which is made by them and I assume these Lyras are en extension of that family sound. I am not sure they were what I am looking for since the Ortofon has other charms, a lushness, dynamics and evenhandedness. They also do bass which frankly is where I have been mega dissppointed in every recent cartrigde I have heard.

Richard (at Naim) was mega enthusiastic about it and he told me that Paul S had heard it somewhere amd was really impressed...and on hearing it at Naim I could hear why, and my listening over the holiday period has borne this out. Well actually I didn't that much "critical" listening over the NYE as I went to a James Bond party dressed as Austin Powers (International Man of Mystery, just like me)

Groovy baby (Just like the Ortofon).

PS. Calling Ross Blackman, the man with nice eyes who has demmed every cartridge ever made, have you heard the SPU?
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by David Young
Dev,

Are you using Prefix with the Ortofon? If so, what is the position of your 52 volume pot? As I understand the Ortofon has very low output (lower than Arkiv B) and I doubt the Prefix can drive it.

Thanks.
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by David Ng
David,

There is something I could never figure. I used to have OC9 which is rated at 0,4mV. Now I'm using Denon DL103R which is rated at 0.32mV. But it seems the DL103R is better able to drive the Prefix K card. The OC9 has more top end resolution, but the sound is thin through the K card. The DL103R is not as transparent, but the sound has more weight.

I am also tempted to try the Ortofon Kontrapunkt A/B. Read that it does PRaT and bass very well...

david
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by David Young
James,

The Helikon has the output of 0.35mV @3.54 cm/sec where the Helikon has 0.22mV. My Transfiguration Temper has the output of 0.20mV @3.54 cm/sec and the Prefix K can not drive it at all (the volume pot is at 5 o'clock with a lot of noise). I really do not understand why Nana insisted to have the Helikon SL version.

David,

Thanks for your input. What is the position of your volume pot when you used the OC9 vs Dennon?

Thanks.

Thanks.
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by David Young
James,

Sorry it should read " The Helikon has the output of 0.35 mV @3.54 cm/sec where the Helikon SL has 0.22mV"

Thanks.
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by ys
David Ng,
I have a very happy experience with the Ortofon K-a before I kill it by accident.
It do bass, the music really flow, great match with my Acoustic Signature FT/PT-9/ASR Mini Basis Phono/112/150/dynaudio combo, added warmth while still able to maintain PRAT.
Posted on: 05 January 2004 by David Ng
David Y,

The volume knob for OC9 must be between 3 to 4 o'clock for my listening levels. For the DL103R, its about 2 to 3 o'clock. And I agree with your observation on the Helikon. When a friend of mine uses low output Troika with the K card, he has to max the volume knob.

ys, thanks for the input. Will try the K-a if the price is right.

david
Posted on: 06 January 2004 by Scott Naylor
Dev-

I'm glad to hear you've found a cartridge to
fit both your system/speakers and taste. You
certainly gave my favorite the XX2 every opportunity and I'd hoped the "S" boards would help you find happiness. Kudos for looking outside the usual line-up of suspects.

Props to Mr Dane for pointing you in the right
direction.

A happy new year to you and your
family as well.

kind regards,
Scott