Difference between 72 & 102

I just wondered Gary..

Is your head not getting sore, what with all that banging it against a brick wall?

Mr Tibbs

to all you, for having put the matter into the right perspective for me.

As for my perspective, now I don’t want to upgrade from 72 to 102. I’ll wait for a 82. (Even if I should kill my aunt or should visit a bank, wearing mask, after the official hours.)

graphoman

Mr Tibbs,

System 1 is better because it is balanced.

A CDX/102/140 would be better than system 1 because it is made up of better components which are also in balance. I have heard the very same 102 driving a 140 beautifully.

If the 102 was so perfect for driving just about any power amp in the Naim range, there would be no need for the 82, the 52.

Having said that, it would be interesting to hear a new 202 into a new Hi/250

Dave,

If my dealer thought that there was anything wrong with the 102 he would have sent it back. When my CD5 first arrived back in September 2000 he sent it back because it didn't play the tune properly.

When I finally received it, I could tell that it sounded better and more tuneful.

He did not express any opinion about the 102/250 setup until I stated that it sounded harsh. He then suggested that sistem imbalance may be the cause.

Oh dear this is what happens when you mess with sheep at the altar of their sacred cow (or its successor)



Regards,

Steve.

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Oh dear this is what happens when you mess with sheep at the altar of their sacred cow (or its successor)

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Steve

This is where you get into trouble with me

That is a really arrogant statement. I presume you see yourself as the knight in shining armour - illuminating the ignorant with your wisdom.

I presume that a sheep is one who follows blindly? Well I"ve read all the posts in this thread and I've seen no sheep. This has been a discussion from differing points of view with (importantly) the experience to back it up. In fact it's been a great discussion until that last jibe.

I appreciate that everyone has a different and valid point of view (including your's Steve) but has it occurred to anyone that maybe comparing a system 1 vs 2 vs 3 isn't necessarily just about the black boxes? A system is by definition "a system". It's not just the boxes but how they were set-up, the mains, the speaker interacting with the room, etc, etc. We've all had the "gee, it sounded so good in the demo room, but now that I've got it home...".

For what it's worth I believe in system balance but I also believe you've got to try for yourself. Sure, ask and use the advice from others but don't expect to get exactly the same experience that someone else had. For every balanced system that sounds great, there's also an unbalanced system that sounds great too!

Jay

Yabba, dabba, doooooo

Oh dear this is what happens when you mess with sheep at the altar of their sacred cow (or its successor)

Animals not required....just current-102-former-72 owners ;-)

regards,

dave

Ok, let's throw a 'wrench in this monkey'.

Need,want,wish, to upgrade...140,72,Hi, pushing pr. of Vitos. Used 82/old 250 or 202/new 200/250 ,dlr. will loan. 3 dedicated spurs, upgraded fuses & to tell the truth it all sounds so nicely balanced tonely & coherent musically I am 'fraid to mess it up. I have nothing but the utmost respect for what the 72/hi/140 can deliver 'w/upgraded spurs'.

I gotta cuz; our room is 25'x26'+, & we want some of that 'near field groove' more than 6/7' from the speakers. Besides if I wanna 'rock the Casbar' I'll be burnin' down the house' w/the poor but willing 140 driving these dogs to some serious dbs.

Steven's right about the Credos being a hell of a speaker, funny thing is they sound better slapped around by a Unison SR-1 & a Toshiba 9200 in a 15'x15' bdrm. then they ever did in the bigger room.

Always glad to 'see' you fellas/gals having so much fun.....'chasin' sound a'round'.

It's all good....

Regis

I done the demo at the dealer, I done the demo at home.

To my ears:
102/140 better than 72/140
102/Hi/140 better than 72/Hi/140
102/PSC/Hi/140 blows away 72/Hi/140

All the above done without the aid of a safety net at home.

Now then, at a dealer, for a couple of hours, with a few beers:
102/180 better than 72/180
102/Hi/180 better than 72/Hi/180
102/PSC/Hi/180 blows away 72/Hi/180

Back home:
102/PSC/Hi/250 blows away 72/Hi/250

Note also the above 250 combinations sound crap if 250 is in dire need of a service

I have to say, I used to think that owning a 72/Hi/250 would be the be-all and end-all for me, but I was wrong. I have (with a bit of luck) arrived at a sistem that does the business for me and has cured me of lusting over an ever increasing number of black boxes. Actually, Naim have done their bit on the last point by revamping the case style, but let's not go there

Best regards,
Ed

“Oh dear this is what happens when you mess with sheep at the altar of their sacred cow”


Tell you what though, if I’m in the market for any new hifi, I probably won’t now be taking much notice of any of your opinions Steve.

I’d sooner trust the word of a sheep.

Baaaaaaa

Mr Tibbs

Sacred Cow meets Bonkers Bronco

"Well, Tibbsy, you do get rather tetchy if anyone says anything against your 'sacred' 102..."

Well, Stallers, you do get rather tetchy if anyone says anything in favour of Naim’s best preamp under the 82.

My 102?

Now there’s a rather special 102..

Mr Tibbs

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Originally posted by Ed R:
I done the demo at the dealer, I done the demo at home.

To my ears:
102/140 better than 72/140
102/Hi/140 better than 72/Hi/140
102/PSC/Hi/140 blows away 72/Hi/140

All the above done without the aid of a safety net at home.

Now then, at a dealer, for a couple of hours, with a few beers:
102/180 better than 72/180
102/Hi/180 better than 72/Hi/180
102/PSC/Hi/180 blows away 72/Hi/180

Back home:
102/PSC/Hi/250 blows away 72/Hi/250

Note also the above 250 combinations sound crap if 250 is in dire need of a service

I have to say, I used to think that owning a 72/Hi/250 would be the be-all and end-all for me, but I was wrong. I have (with a bit of luck) arrived at a sistem that does the business for me and has cured me of lusting over an ever increasing number of black boxes. Actually, Naim have done their bit on the last point by revamping the case style, but let's not go there

Best regards,
Ed

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... and when you pair the 102 with the supercap it sounds even better. You dont need the NAPSC anymore. You connect the second spuercap output to the 102 digital with a SLIC cable (Naim Audio sells it). keep it for awhile then dump the 102 and jump to the 52 with the 250 amp. That is the way I go

"Each to their own though"

Yeah, beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

Mr Tibbs

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Originally posted by Tuan:
[... and when you pair the 102 with the supercap it sounds even better. You dont need the NAPSC anymore. You connect the second spuercap output to the 102 digital with a SLIC cable (Naim Audio sells it). keep it for awhile then dump the 102 and jump to the 52 with the 250 amp. That is the way I go

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But Tuan, I don't want to do that!! I am perfectly happy with my sistem the way it is now, save for finding a more appropriate pair of speakers. If I can enjoy music without forking out even more money, other than on new vinyl and CDs, I think I should stop.

Another point would be, even if I was bitten by the upgrade bug, why should it follow that I go for the Naim route?

Best regards,
Ed.

My next upgrade would probably be a 82/250 considering the many feedbacks obtained guys.

Thank you all...

All opinions are solely my own and not forceful in any nature.