Bach's B Minor Mass

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 23 April 2007

Dear Friends,

Sadly this Thread from February has timed out.

Bach's B Minor Mass.

Two nights ago I dug out the performance under Richter on DG Archiv, and after the performance by Enescu discussed in the earlier Thread, this was something very fascinating.

It is a real studio recording with the disadvantages that brings. It is slower than Enescu in the main though certain fast tempo sections are rather faster. In fact the result is disjointed. What struck me is that for all the technical perfection this now sounds like a rehearsal, and one where there have been stops edited out. The solo singing is glorious, but the Choir is not engaging with the text. Really this shows just how much the enemy of the good the great really is. I was terribly dissapointed to find this to be the case in this instance.

One particularly uninvolving moment is the "Confeteor in una baptisma," where the choir is accompanied only by continuo. With Enescu there is an almost other worldly intensity in this which leads to a glorious second half when the trumpets and drums join in some D Major sunshine. Here one senses almost a longing for the movement to be over faster than the slow tempo allows for. The tenors particularly are very slack and flaccid, albeit that on paer their line might look a bit dull, but for for Enescu they bring the line, based on a sucession of repeted noted in the main, out as it is, a potent counterpoint to all the motion going on in the other lines. For Bach, if Richter had done his reading, repeated notes speak of umplaccable strength and inevitablity. Some of Bach's most powerful fugues are based on such unlikely sounding ideas, but sung like the tenors for Richter, I think they sound like they wish they were somewhere else...

I also have the Leonhardt set, which at least has fervour in its favour! Some of the choral singing does, in that set, sound like breathing and articulationb excercises, rather than an engagement with the text though. Strange how music so rooted in the words can be so misunderstood in its purpose.

Really the Mass seems, like the Saint Matthew Passion, to work more effectively in live performances.

Kindest regardds from Fredrik
Posted on: 23 April 2007 by fidelio
fred - bach is my favorite composer by a considerable margin. i have several recordings of this, considered by some to be bach's greatest (it's really more like "bach's greatest hits," as he parsed it together partly from other pieces - interesting musicology study). have a naxos cd i don't really like much (something not right about the venue, or maybe it's processing??), and a number of lp's of it. you're right about live, though - i attend it fequently, there's an annual bach festival here that does it every other year, alternating w/ st. matthew's passion, and locals do it on occasion - one good thing about being in a big cirty, don't have to go too long w/o mass in b. just heard it there a few weeks ago. i've even heard it at the hollywood bowl, 15 years ago. that concert was a lifesaver. rgds., fiddy
Posted on: 23 April 2007 by u5227470736789439
Good name that! "Fidelio!"

The sad thing for me was to find that this old recording known to me for a very long time shows things I don't care for now. I suppose as I get older I want more guts in the music making, and this has a clinical precision, but not so much guts. It is sombre serious and perhaps just too careful. The Leonhardt set is not too careful and everything except some of the choral singing appeals to me, but the old live recording under George Enescu is spirit first and perfection second, though it is rather fine in terms of accuracy as well!

Anyone want the Richter set. I will post it for mothing to a good new home, if anyone pipes up...

Anyway thanks for replying! Fredrik
Posted on: 23 April 2007 by fidelio
fred - funny thing, just happen to have heard it on the local classical station this evening: a new "channel classics" recording, netherlands bach society. couldn't decipher the conductor's name - dutch. thought it was an excellent version, rather stately tempo and not a large no. of singers, probably authentic/historic instruments. what a great piece; always moving. cheers.
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by pe-zulu
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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Anyone want the Richter set. I will post it for mothing to a good new home, if anyone pipes up...


I owned this on vinyl some years ago, but gave it away !!!
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by u5227470736789439
Dear Poul,

I will give it to Oxfam so that someone can benfit from its eventual resale. This is how I part with things that I don't care for!

I am sending you an email...

ATB from F