free genesis cd .

Duly disregarded!

12 tracks picked by the band , so will be varied selections .

just picked up my copy,7 live tracks from live over europe 2007 but a few samples from the new remixed cds out in september which sound clearer than i can remember them to be, one being cinema show ,one single edit abacab.

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Originally posted by munch:
Whats on it?

PC

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Originally posted by Steeve:
Duly disregarded!

Of course - an incentive not to buy TMOS.

At least munch, can enjoy his free Macca CD

Apologies, if you like post PG Genesis then please ignore me (oh you already have - very sensible) and enjoy the CD.

Just got this for an overseas friend. I hope it will give pleasure in foreign lands!

George

Posted Sun 01 June 2008 11:46, in Listener's Corner.

I put the CD on so that I could find out whether it was the CD or the newsprint which was free. I am certain that the CD was given away for a reason - not my cup-of-tea at all!

After a request from an overseas friend I rushed out to buy the "Sunday On Mail." There is a free CD of "Genisis" in it ... with Phil Collins.

Which leaves me with the newsprint! That really should be given away with a token to get a Newspaper - not my cup-of-tea at all!

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Apologies, if you like post PG Genesis then please ignore me (oh you already have - very sensible) and enjoy the CD.

ROTF,

PC speaks highly of you. You have so much in common too.

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Originally posted by Steve S1:

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Apologies, if you like post PG Genesis then please ignore me (oh you already have - very sensible) and enjoy the CD.

ROTF,

PC speaks highly of you. You have so much in common too.

Hmmm .... is he a Tractor Boy too?
I know PG claimed to be a lawn mower, I could tell it by the way that he walked.

I had no idea Phil held me in such high esteem - a fortune teller once told me that somewhere on the planet there was such person and I looked long and hard to find them - mostly amongst the insane, as I thought that was where I was most likely to find them, but I gave up on it and accepted that I couldn't fool any of the people any of the time. Now I know it was Phil all time, what a cruel twist of fate. If only it could have been his sister Shirley,

However, I won't be playing any of songs because as far as I'm aware, despite his many concert appearances, he's never played any of mine.

Hold on there, me have something in common with Phil? I can't play the drums, piano or sing - ah perhaps you're right, Steve, we have so much in common. .

In fairness to PC (well I feel conciliatory after learning he thinks so highly of me) he's not a dreadful drummer, but he is overpowering and could learn much from the greats: Jon Hiseman, Carl Palmer, Aynsley Dunbar, John Marshall, Ginger Baker and Ringo.

Oh well - enjoy your free Genesis CD and if you have a chance give Trespass a spin, especially The Knife and you'll hear a quite magical Genesis.

ATB Rotf

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Originally posted by GFFJ:
Just got this for an overseas friend. I hope it will give pleasure in foreign lands!

George

Posted Sun 01 June 2008 11:46, in Listener's Corner.

I put the CD on so that I could find out whether it was the CD or the newsprint which was free. I am certain that the CD was given away for a reason - not my cup-of-tea at all!

After a request from an overseas friend I rushed out to buy the "Sunday On Mail." There is a free CD of "Genisis" in it ... with Phil Collins.

Which leaves me with the newsprint! That really should be given away with a token to get a Newspaper - not my cup-of-tea at all!

LOL. Many a true word said in jest.

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Oh well - enjoy your free Genesis CD and if you have a chance give Trespass a spin, especially The Knife and you'll hear a quite magical Genesis.

Ha. Trespass is great, but so is Seconds Out. There is no hope for me.

I think the guy can sing, play and write good stuff. It doesn't make him nice - by all accounts, he may not be. But that bit doesn't worry me.

I'm sure I'd find a lot of rock stars pretty loathsome if I knew them better.

Steve

I think PC must have done something bad to ROTF or his family in another life!

Collins drumming is much maligned, but he did some fantastic playing.

Perhaps it is because of his 80s 'packing case' sound, particularly as heard on 'In The Air Tonight'. Before he settled into that style he did some quite diverse drumming.

His playing on 'Selling England by the Pound' is very delicate and detailed, the live version of 'Cinema Show' on 'Seconds Out' (together with Bill Bruford, Bill vocal section, Phil most of the instrumental, the Bill and Phil at the end) is a tour de force.

He played with Brand X, Eno, Fripp and many others as well as Genesis and was highly respected.

I do think the influence of Chester Thompson caused his drumming to change for the worse, and that he got stuck in a style during the 80s that became a bit cliched.

But his 70s playing still stands as some of the finest rock and jazz/rock drumming I have heard.

I can't say that I care for his singing or song writing particularly, but his drumming stands apart from that for me.

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But his 70s playing still stands as some of the finest rock and jazz/rock drumming I have heard.

Please, please, please listen to Colosseum, Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia, Soft Machine, Isotope, Tempest, Atomic Rooster, ELP and Zappa (The Grand Wazoo) and you'll hear some great drumming

And, of course, I forgot Dave Mattacks from my list of truly great drummers.

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I think PC must have done something bad to ROTF or his family in another life!

I thought I was extremely nice about him in my previous post.

If there is a worse record than In The Air Tonight then I've never heard it and that includes things like Crazy Frog and No Charge. It is just plain horrible - I'd sooner sit through the directors cut of Saturday Night Fever than ever hear that again.

Still enough - if I can't deter you and you still think Seconds Out, which I've only heard once and I hope never to hear again, is a wonderful album then that is your prerogative. Everybody is entitled to listen to and enjoy whatever they like and long may it stay that way.

Me I'd sooner listen to Macca, Syd Barrett or Kevin Ayers from the 60s, ELP, Colosseum, Chas n Dave and the Clash from the 70s, Martha and the Muffins from the 80s, Garbage and Kirsty MacColl from 90s and Karine Polwart and Basia Bulat from the 00s or HMHB, Shirley Collins and Mary Chapin Carpenter from any era.

Still at least I didn't have to buy TMOS

To me Genesis without PG is like Fleetwood Mac without PG.

ATB Rotf

PS As I said in my previous post, just ignore me and enjoy the music

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Originally posted by ROTF:

Please, please, please listen to Colosseum, Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia, Soft Machine, Isotope, Tempest, Atomic Rooster, ELP and Zappa (The Grand Wazoo) and you'll hear some great drumming

And, of course, I forgot Dave Mattacks from my list of truly great drummers.

I have seen John Heisman (several times) and Dave Mattacks live, they are both great drummers. John Marshall is excellent, and taught my drum tutor, Zappa had some great drummers too.

Whether on not you like the Genesis' music, Collins playing was right up there with those guys.

That said, it is not worth listening to music just for the drumming, if you do not like the music. If the drumming is in sympathy with the music, then it probably will not appeal anyway.

As for playing with Peter Gabriel there is even some interesting playing by Collins on PG3 (Secuity in the US), on 'No Self Control', but not as technical as earlier work.

With Genesis I am probably in a minority, as the appeal of the band to me was mostly Steve Hackett's guitar playing, and Collins' Drumming. I like Rutherford's melodic bass playing, but Banks keyboard playing and Gabriel's vocals, and especially lyrics do not appeal to me. So my favourite album by them is 'Wind and Wuthering'.

What tracks did they put on the free CD by the way?

Carl Palmer, Paul Hammond, John Heisman etc. are all superb. Collins, as written on other posts has played brilliantly too in his earlier days - I guess he still could play well if he put his mind to it!

In spite of all these great drummers, surely it's a personal thing; Ringo Star wasn't neccessarily the most technical drummer or "best" there ever was but, he hit the nail on the head with The Beatles. Good and solid, just right for the sound of the band.

Back to Genesis, I never "got" them at all, until one day driving (as a passenger) up to Darlington in a mates Mini van, with Genesis on the cassette player. When "Carpet Crawl" came on, something clicked with me, the atmosphere, the slow driving force, something just got to me and I reckon it was in no small part the keyboard playing of Banks.....
Funny how we're all different!

I did not rush out to buy the Mail on Sunday this week, but I am enjoying the Macca CD from last week (didn't read the paper though........)

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Originally posted by JamieL:

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Originally posted by ROTF:

Please, please, please listen to Colosseum, Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia, Soft Machine, Isotope, Tempest, Atomic Rooster, ELP and Zappa (The Grand Wazoo) and you'll hear some great drumming

And, of course, I forgot Dave Mattacks from my list of truly great drummers.

I have seen John Heisman (several times) and Dave Mattacks live, they are both great drummers. John Marshall is excellent, and taught my drum tutor, Zappa had some great drummers too.

Whether on not you like the Genesis' music, Collins playing was right up there with those guys.

That said, it is not worth listening to music just for the drumming, if you do not like the music. If the drumming is in sympathy with the music, then it probably will not appeal anyway.

As for playing with Peter Gabriel there is even some interesting playing by Collins on PG3 (Secuity in the US), on 'No Self Control', but not as technical as earlier work.

With Genesis I am probably in a minority, as the appeal of the band to me was mostly Steve Hackett's guitar playing, and Collins' Drumming. I like Rutherford's melodic bass playing, but Banks keyboard playing and Gabriel's vocals, and especially lyrics do not appeal to me. So my favourite album by them is 'Wind and Wuthering'.

What tracks did they put on the free CD by the way?

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Ringo Star wasn't neccessarily the most technical drummer or "best" there ever was

Legend has it that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles.

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Originally posted by Steve S1:

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Ringo Star wasn't neccessarily the most technical drummer or "best" there ever was

Legend has it that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles.

But he was still better than most and you know it don't come easy.

Plus he could sing a bit, admittedly with a little help from his friends.

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Originally posted by Steve S1:

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Ringo Star wasn't neccessarily the most technical drummer or "best" there ever was

Legend has it that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles.

John Lennon said that.
Have another listen to Band on the Run for a hint as to who he was describing.

So should we have Macca up there with Hiseman et al.

I know Macca drummed on some Beatles tracks like Ballad of John and Yoko - you know it ain't easy.