SL 2
Posted by: J.N. on 03 May 2002
Anyone had a proper (home?) dem yet?
I have SBL's and am looking forward to not being able to afford them, when my dealer has a pair!
I hear reports of them being very special. Designed by Roy George (DBL and SBL).
Interestingly, NBL's were designed by Roy Gregory.
I have SBL's and am looking forward to not being able to afford them, when my dealer has a pair!
I hear reports of them being very special. Designed by Roy George (DBL and SBL).
Interestingly, NBL's were designed by Roy Gregory.
Posted on: 03 May 2002 by Chris Metcalfe
I think you mean Phil Ward! Roy Gregory interviewed him for HIFI+, November 1999.
Not sure Roy George designed the SBL, either.
Not sure Roy George designed the SBL, either.
Posted on: 03 May 2002 by J.N.
You're right about Phil Ward, now I think about it.
Someone's been giving me duff gen!
Someone's been giving me duff gen!
Posted on: 03 May 2002 by Allan Probin
I believe he used to work for Mordaunt Short where he experimented with a skeletal arm attached to a metal frame for holding the tweeter.
This sort of briefly came up in the middle of an unrelated google search and I thought that looks interesting I'll go back and read that sometime and now I can't find it.
Allan
Edit, found it:
Stereophile NBL Review
Okay, maybe not a skeletal arm but it says: "Phil's résumé includes time spent at Mordaunt-Short, where he was involved with the 442, a radical speaker whose drivers were attached to a backbone/stand and decoupled from the enclosure"
[This message was edited by Allan Probin on FRIDAY 03 May 2002 at 21:05.]
This sort of briefly came up in the middle of an unrelated google search and I thought that looks interesting I'll go back and read that sometime and now I can't find it.
Allan
Edit, found it:
Stereophile NBL Review
Okay, maybe not a skeletal arm but it says: "Phil's résumé includes time spent at Mordaunt-Short, where he was involved with the 442, a radical speaker whose drivers were attached to a backbone/stand and decoupled from the enclosure"
[This message was edited by Allan Probin on FRIDAY 03 May 2002 at 21:05.]
Posted on: 03 May 2002 by David Ng
I don't know, but from the open port design of the SL2, I doubt it will be as tuneful and snappy as the close box SBL. I make this comment based on my experience with the Allae. I hope naim will not discard their, IMHO, so successful closed box philosophy.
Posted on: 04 May 2002 by Chris Metcalfe
The 442 was a really good speaker, I nearly bought one at half its UK price, but finally the looks put me off. The whole speaker cabinet sat on a rubber gasket around a rigid central stand, to which I think the tweeter was attached, so there are similarities to the SL2.
The SL2 seemed a much better speaker than the SBL when I heard it in Bristol; I think nearer to a closed-box than the Allae is, as the head unit couples more closely to the base, which uses a mesh mechanism similar to the SBL.
The SL2 seemed a much better speaker than the SBL when I heard it in Bristol; I think nearer to a closed-box than the Allae is, as the head unit couples more closely to the base, which uses a mesh mechanism similar to the SBL.
Posted on: 04 May 2002 by garyi
Phil did them werd all around sound speaker for another company didn't he?
Posted on: 05 May 2002 by David Dever
quote:
I don't know, but from the open port design of the SL2, I doubt it will be as tuneful and snappy as the close box SBL.
Please wait for the final production version before making a judgement on the SL2's performance--it's not a ported design, but rather a gasket-free high-tolerance mating.
Posted on: 06 May 2002 by Phil Ward
All,
I don't often post, but a spy tells me my name has popped up, so it's probably time to make an appearance
NBL "designed by Roy Gregory" made me chuckle. Roy Gregory is editor of Hi-Fi Plus, and lots of things beside, but I don't believe he's designed many speakers. The NBL was done by myself with Roy George and Julian looking over my shoulder.
Yes, I did do the 442 at Mordaunt-Short. We experimented with many things (hey, it was the 80s and the factory was in the middle of a field), but never a "skeletal arm attached to a metal frame". The 442 was launched about the same time as SBL and had a few ideas in common. The SBL was cleverer though. And yes, I was at Canon Audio for five very interesting years.
The SL2 is effectively a closed box speaker. The gap between the two enclosures is so small (0.2mm is correct) that the "leak" is insignificant.
Phil
I don't often post, but a spy tells me my name has popped up, so it's probably time to make an appearance
NBL "designed by Roy Gregory" made me chuckle. Roy Gregory is editor of Hi-Fi Plus, and lots of things beside, but I don't believe he's designed many speakers. The NBL was done by myself with Roy George and Julian looking over my shoulder.
Yes, I did do the 442 at Mordaunt-Short. We experimented with many things (hey, it was the 80s and the factory was in the middle of a field), but never a "skeletal arm attached to a metal frame". The 442 was launched about the same time as SBL and had a few ideas in common. The SBL was cleverer though. And yes, I was at Canon Audio for five very interesting years.
The SL2 is effectively a closed box speaker. The gap between the two enclosures is so small (0.2mm is correct) that the "leak" is insignificant.
Phil
Posted on: 06 May 2002 by Manu
Phil,
Quite funny to see: Phil Ward "Junior member".
As if you were a newbee.
Please post more often, you should have a lot of very interresting thoughts and hints to share with us.
Emmanuel
Quite funny to see: Phil Ward "Junior member".
As if you were a newbee.
Please post more often, you should have a lot of very interresting thoughts and hints to share with us.
Emmanuel
Posted on: 06 May 2002 by J.N.
Thanks for the clarification.
I realise that you're far too busy to bother with us twerps on a regular basis, BUT:
Who designed the SL2?
I realise that you're far too busy to bother with us twerps on a regular basis, BUT:
Who designed the SL2?
Posted on: 06 May 2002 by garyi
Phil I enjoyed you contribution in this months HIFI + where you tried valiently to give the 'egg' speakers a good review, but failed miserably, so in the privacy of this forum were they utter crap or what?
snigger.
snigger.
Posted on: 06 May 2002 by Phil Ward
Quite like being "junior". Makes me feel young again. Wonder if I can be granted permanent junior status?
Product design at the kind of level Naim do it is very much a team effort - so it's hard to identify one person with a product. Only thing I can say for certain though is that neither me or Roy Gregory designed the SL2.
What do you mean "privacy" of the forum Gary? I think the Eclipse is a brave effort and there'll be folk out there that will love it. I'm not convinced it works though.
Phil
Product design at the kind of level Naim do it is very much a team effort - so it's hard to identify one person with a product. Only thing I can say for certain though is that neither me or Roy Gregory designed the SL2.
What do you mean "privacy" of the forum Gary? I think the Eclipse is a brave effort and there'll be folk out there that will love it. I'm not convinced it works though.
Phil
Posted on: 06 May 2002 by Rico
quote:
I think the Eclipse is a brave effort and there'll be folk out there that will love it. I'm not convinced it works though.
Phil
welcome. I would like to politely add that you might have missed your calling - diplomatic corps. I could not imagine a more appropriate response to Gary's question. In the privacy of the forum, of course!
I look forward to having a read.
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
[This message was edited by Rico on TUESDAY 07 May 2002 at 03:08.]