Bristol Show - The Pictures

Posted by: John Channing on 23 February 2002

Side shot of the SL
Posted on: 24 February 2002 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by ken c:
_I'm pretty sure you will see phono sockets on all Naim gear from now on because they have no affect on sound quality ..._

did naim say that?? i.e. phonos have no effect on sound quality??



Ken,

presumably this is 'no effect on sound quality of the DIN inputs'.

I can't deny that this would be more convenient for non-Naim sources that have phono outputs.

Just hope it's not a sign that Naim are deviating from the faith. 'DIN sockets are the one true connector'.

Except for BNCs, of course. These are conspicuous by their absence from the Stageline? When will we see the second all-phono input Naim product?

cheers, Martin

Posted on: 24 February 2002 by ken c
I've read your 'guesses' at the various boxes and you are right. The system had THREE tiers of Fraims. RH tier contained cdsii/space/space/xps; Central tier had 552/52/space/supercap; LH tier had PS for 552/PS for 500/500(double height).

so, £3x1400 for the 4-tier = £4200. close to SL2 territory!

i wonder how they would arrange things if the system was active?? come to think of it, why wasnt the system active anyway...? confused confused

i wonder whether the config of the preamps and cd player on different racks was dictated somewhat by the requirement to A/B test 52 vs 552??

I was told by Naim (Paul Darwin) that the double space between the cdsii and xps was CRUCIAL!!! in order to keep all the tiers the same height! hee hee!.

hmmmm...? this doesnt sound serious. surely there has to be another reason.

Note, the 552ps/500ps/500 were all to the LEFT of the 552/52, but not MILES away from each other. This should help with domestic harmony!

proximity to xformers and all that??? couldnt have sounded any good? big grin big grin

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 24 February 2002 by ken c
Just hope it's not a sign that Naim are deviating from the faith. 'DIN sockets are the one true connector'.

so do i...

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by Hammerhead
quote:
Originally posted by ken c:
_552 - Note Dr Channing taking picture of the back_

and is that you with him...???

enjoy

ken


That was me. Chin warmer seemed to throw a few people as I think only Tim Oldridge recognized me.
(None fuzzy version can be found on Ricomuzik)

Were you there?

Cheers,

Steve

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by John Channing
quote:
That was me. Chin warmer seemed to throw a few people as I think only Tim Oldridge recognized me.

I recognised you as well. Did I see you driving a red whale tail 911 cabrio?
John

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by Hammerhead
No, I was in my good 'ole red 944. 993 Coupe would do nicely though.. Nice to see you again.

Steve

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by ken c
steve D: you ask "Were you there?"

if you were asking me, unfortunately, couldnt make it. hate driving. hope to be at the london one.

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by efrain almanza
Hi all,

Since I couldn't make the visit to the show as I had it planned...

Very good pictures, hope you are all back to the "normal music excitement" at home after the show.
Sorry if I do not comment very often in the forum but this time I think we where all very at our utmust of expectations of what music and naim can approach to deliver....

and about the new speakers....wonderful they have the nice shape and it remains me from the top line naim speakers, hmmm, sbl and well... dbl!

wooooww!!

Sculptured Loudspeakers, may I say that?

Congrats to all at Naim

To Ken,

Yes ken, I would agree with you, I think that for sbl owner's It looks like one have to revise the bank account once again ah?!

best regards

naimly yours

efrain wink

[This message was edited by efrain almanza on MONDAY 25 February 2002 at 15:14.]

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by ken c
To Ken,

Yes ken, I would agree with you, I think that for sbl owner's It looks like one have to revise the bank account once again ah?!

just what i was doing second ago!! are you psychic or something.

all the best efrain!!!

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by John Channing
Here are some pictures courtesy of Steve Dempster.
The Totem system featuring the new Rega P9. Apparently this was working much better than the official Rega room.
Posted on: 25 February 2002 by John Channing
Another picture from Steve, this time showing the mounting of the new centre channel speaker in its Fraim.
Posted on: 25 February 2002 by efrain almanza
"just what i was doing second ago!! are you psychic or something"

No, naimized....hmmmm

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by Hammerhead
Thanks for posting them John. Just sent you a few some more.

Cheers,

Steve

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by Mark Rampling
I attended the Saturday forum session when Roy described some of the technical features of the SL2 & 552.

First the SL2 -- mid/bass unit is identical to the SBL, the tweeter is the same as in the NBL & DBL (an upgraded version of the SBL tweeter). According to Roy, the tweeter covers the greatest range of frequencies, that is why it is so important to isolate it from the cabinet and hold it rigidly in space. The frame holding the tweeter is pivoted down at the bottom where it attaches to the speaker stand. The passive X-over is similar to the SBL's. The walls of the lower cabinet had Naim's usual mass-damper arrangement.

The 552 -- developed as a no-compromise design, Roy mentioned several times that he and the team had tried lots of new things, but reassuringly kept coming back to what is used now in the 52. This includes circuit topology and PCB material (Roy mentioned that they tried some very exotic PCB material which costs an arm & a leg, but it sounded worse!). The major differences are the split-rail power supply (hence no compatibility with other pre-amps or power supplies), and dealing with microphony. The power supply uses an 800VA transformer, which was the biggest one they could fit in the box -- smaller ones didn't sound as good. All this to deliver just 50mA! In the 552, the PCBs are mounted on a leaf-spring suspension system like in the CDS2, to reduce microphony. Interestingly, the 552 has metal feet (like the CDS2), which was found to work best with the suspension system. The power supply has rubber feet (like all non-suspension equipment).

Mar

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by Mike Sae
Now, is that an Ikea Lack?

P9 sharing space with a CDP on top of the Pre all on a maxi-size Lack (by far the least rigid of the Lacks). Placed in the middle of (2!) pairs of speakers, to boot.

It's interesting that Totem got nicer sounds from that setup, which breaks every rule in the book, than Rega's.

Posted on: 25 February 2002 by Andrew Randle
Pot luck really, Rega loudspeakers do seem very room sensitive. The Totem system was gorgeous - sure it had its limitations (we were listening to the floorstanders with tiny 4.5" bass drivers), but it was fun and had poise and attitude. MOST NOTABLY there was a fantastic sense of breathing space between musical instruments and events.

Andrew Randle
Currently in the "Linn Binn"

Posted on: 28 March 2002 by johno
quote:
Originally posted by John Channing:
Rega system, sadly it sounded awful!http://naim-audio.infopop.net/1/OpenTopic/s/67019385/a/ga/ul/4241967604/Rega_system.JPG

Looks like the Rega 9 has metal feet under it ay the rega stand... does that mean the Rubber feet have been ditched?

John
Shore

Posted on: 28 March 2002 by Frank Abela
The Rega feet are metal, but they have rubber bases so you still get the rubber contact with the supporting platform.

Regards,
Frank.
All opinions are my own and do not reflect the opinion of any organisations I work for, except where this is stated explicitly.

Posted on: 28 March 2002 by johno
quote:
Originally posted by John Channing:
Another picture from Steve, this time showing the mounting of the new centre channel speaker in its Fraim.http://naim-audio.infopop.net/1/OpenTopic/s/67019385/a/ga/ul/7021949704/Axent2_small.jpg

It actually looks as though the stand is separate from the Fraim...

John
Shore

Posted on: 28 March 2002 by Hammerhead
quote:
Originally posted by johno:
It actually looks as though the stand is separate from the Fraim...

John Shore


It is!

Steve
(Freshly 102'ed/napsc'ed smile )

Posted on: 29 March 2002 by John Boon
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rico:

We spent the weekend cycling around the vineyards and wineries in Martinborough and sampling/buying. I guess thats a reasonable consolation.


Rico, some nice stuff out of Ata Rangi this year n'est pas ? Also nice P.N. out of Palliser, did you get to bless that too ?

Taste Martinborough was also a great party this year, did anyone get along ?

Cheers

John

Posted on: 30 March 2002 by Rico
John

I did indeed get to sample the PN at Palliser - rather good. Sadly not financial enough right now to acquire any.

Missed Toast Martinborough - must ensure Mrs Rico and I attend next year. It was interesting to hear/meet folks over there talking about going to this year's 'Toast New Zealand' in London (well, Ham Polo Club again, I expect) - we attended last year, and had a great time. Sad not to be there for this one!

Ata Rangi - sublime. Introduced some mates to it while London-bound, no sadly nothing else gets a look in if present on a wine list... doctors have confirmed this new affliction as "occulus at-rangus singularius". cool

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 30 March 2002 by John Boon
Thank you for being so polite as to not point out my glaring mistake with "Taste" rather than the "Toast".

It was a great party though, 10,500 gently tipsy folk grooving to some OK music, kind of felt like a baby-boomers back-to-the 70s rock festival run by a squiffy chef in a lovely countryside setting on a pleasant, sunny day.

Cheers

John

Posted on: 31 March 2002 by Arye_Gur
Great pictures !

I copied this post to the Israeli "TAPUZ" (=orange) "Audio and Home Cinema" forum.

Arye