It's goodnight from me (and it's goodnight from him)...

Posted by: Top Cat on 11 December 2001

Hi folks.

I just thought I'd let you know that I'm going to be easing back from this and the other forums for a while - I've got the system at a state which I am delighted with, and so I will be concentrating on enjoying what I have and buying new music.

It's been one heck of a journey and I've discovered a great many things about audio and music along the way. My system has evolved significantly over the last two years, although I never did end up on the Naim path that so many of you are on, but you've accepted me nonetheless, for all my faults big grin

So, thanks to everyone, I will fade from view for a while now and enjoy where I am with my system and music. Of course, you are all welcome to email me, but I'll be making only the occasional visit to this and other forums for the forseeable future.

Because such things can be blown out of all proportion by hearsay and speculation, I'd like to add that I am doing this the following reasons:

...and not for any other reason, as all those disagreements were fun, really, honest Guv...

It's been a roller-coaster ride, from the hey-days of the old forum (as a lurker) to my Mana Preacher Stage, my dithering about that 82/250 (I dithered in the other direction), the death of a loved one (LP12/Aro/etc.), its transparent replacement and latterly my radical move to a lunchbox-with-cooker-knobs as a preamp (it works, and is in some ways the biggest upgrade I've ever made to any system, although the Mana has to be up there too).

So, my friends, I can only thank you all for an entertaining, if somewhat up-and-down, ride.

I'll pop in from time to time just to observe and answer any directed questions, but for now it is goodnight from me and goodnight from him...

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by garyi
Err, bye.

Do I know you?

Na didn't think so.

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Dev B
TC, Sorry to hear that you are going into hibernation. See you back sometime soon.

cheers,

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Alex S.
I guess 'Call Centre Voice' is excitement enough!

Happy listening, but you may find that retiring from this place is easier to say than do. I am seriously condidering getting myself banned so I can do some work, have a social life, see my wife and kids, etc, etc.

Alex

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Joe Petrik
Hey Top Cat,

Leaving after I went to all that trouble last week to entertain you with mullet pictures?

Don't make me use my trump card... the dreaded octopus mullet.

Joe


Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Alex S.
The baby looks shocked - what do you look like from the front!

Alex

BTW Paul, Do that and I'll come and turn yours!

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by woodface
What is this post about? I cannot even recall what TC's system is.
Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Bruce Woodhouse
That is a front view......
Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Mike Sae
For the record, lets see your final setup!

Happy Holidays,


Mike

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Steve Toy
Don't be gone too long! wink

It's always a nice day for it wink Have a good one! smile
Steve.
It's good to get back to normal. wink

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Mick P
Mr TC

You have upset Ian Wright and you are also on the wrong side of JW, that makes you a damm decent chap.

Take your sabbatical, play your music, make some serious money and come back soon.

Regards

Mick

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Top Cat
Final setup:

Clearaudio Evolution with Tangential tonearm and Sigma Gold MC cartridge
Marantz DR6000 cd recorder (also acting as main CD source whilst I save for something better)
DNM Primus preamplifier
Crimson 640D monoblock power amps (x2)
Neat Petite III with Gravitas subs
REL Stentor (set low, low, low)
Mana 3-tier rack
Mana custom stands for the Neats

...I had scaled down my racks to buy lots more soundstages under the three tier, but now I'm not so sure... you'll just have wait and see what I come up with (if not Mana)...

As for the JW thing? Well, insulting the girlfriend of one of your regular customers (4 x soundstage, 1 x 6-tier rack, 3 x flattops, 1 x reference shelf, pair of SBL stands, cut-down standard table, etc. etc. etc. in 12 months) and then proceeding to attempt a character assassination - well, it only goes to show you that loyalty counts for nothing in the eyes of some companies.

Naim, though I own none of your stuff, please accept my congratulations on the way you treat your customers. You may yet sell another Fraim yet (if you can do a wallshelf... ???)

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by P
I hope it comes with a foolproof attachment system.

P.

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Paul Stephenson
mmmmmmmmmmmmm good idea!
Posted on: 11 December 2001 by P
Quote -It will of course be installed by the dealer, or a suitable agent thereof. In the sad event of a catastrophe , the Naim dealer will take full responsibility - Unquote.

Would that then spare the whole audiophile online community the ordeal of having to read about unfortunate WallFraim owners broadcasting to the world how inept and useless a certain product might be in certain situations? Even though it might be tempered with how much money they made out of the event (in some cases)?

P - Born again vinyl revivalist

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Martin Payne
Hmm, it's about the time of year for Hedgehogs to hibernate for the winter.

Is it TC or Tee Hee - Top Hedgie?

Or, for those into Mana conspiracy theory, hedgehogs are also known as hedgePIGS.

Nah, couldn't be.

cheers, Martin

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by Steve Toy
TC is a fine man indeed.

Watch this space, because he rightfully respects this space in particular.

The Naim people know a thing or two about respecting customers and potential customers, unlike elsewhere...

Like, you just want to buy stuff from them, cos they deserve it... and the added bonus with their CD players, is that nothing else will do... smile

Refering to the moderators here, I declare this place a loose-cannon-free zone, unlike somewhere else...

Live by the sword (not here) and...

It's always a nice day for it wink Have a good one! smile
Steve.
It's good to get back to normal. wink

[This message was edited by Steven Toy on WEDNESDAY 12 December 2001 at 03:36.]

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by dave simpson
The most sensible post I've seen in our forums for a while! (You don't neeed to hibernate that long though.) Hell, Petrik didn't even stay away two years like he promised ;O

Get some more mana, libations and we'll see you in the spring...don't make it a long sleep dude.


yyyawwwn....back to my den of do-while loops,

dave

Posted on: 11 December 2001 by dave simpson
TC,

Errr..scratch the get mo mana part...

Hope you work it out. That place will miss it's anchor.

dave

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by Top Cat
I did say I was going away, but I felt I ought to pop back on here to reply to you guys.

Thanks for the support - I've had a lot of email from people, some of whom would appear to be on 'the other side' but have privately given support - I guess in some ways I am the sacrificial lamb but then in the grand scheme of things the views of people like John Watson of Mana really reflect far worse on him and his company than on me or the others who have crossed swords with him.

He strikes me as a sad and pathetic old man with a diminishing market share due to his abusive attitude toward people - something I had believed I was immune to - and I am now glad that I managed to flog most of my Mana before this happened. I can see more defections in the future, mark my words - whilst I still rate the product, it is just a shame that Mana has stood still whilst others (Naim, QS, Hutter, etc.) have at the very least caught up, and more than probably surpassed them.

Actually, I should explain a little more about a bit I left out. The full story is that I have indeed sold most of my Mana - for a number of reasons which shall be revealed in the fullness of time - and this got back to him, which is why his sad retort on his so-called forum was as venomous as it was. I suppose he simply can't handle the fact that one of his strongest supporters has defected from the 'fold' and as a bitter and twisted individual he lashed out in the only way he could - of course, dragging some of the lesser minions into it as well (stand up Stumo, you are the weakest link. Heck, you are the missing link, man wink )

Now I have been kind to Mana in the past, but quite simply it is clear to me that any company which treats its customers in such a way deserves to fail and go out of business.

So, without further ado, I shall sit back and enjoy whatever sad and pathetic vitriolic attack Mr Watson and some of his brainwashed* minions try next to 'discredit' me. It's comical, really, and a strong reason to actively dissuade anyone from having anything to do with the company.

* brainwashed is an interesting term which generally assumes the presence of a brain in the first place, which of course is something I doubt is true of many of the Mana minions...

TC '..'
"Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a Muffin..."

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by bob atherton
Good post! Don't be away for too long.

Best wishes,

Bob.

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by Simon Matthews
Paul

Bit of the pot and the kettle eh?

Whenever I visit the mana forum these days it just seems like the anti naim slagging session, often by certain people who are over here on a regular basis. It would be interesting if some of the people who accuse naim users as being sheep etc said it a bit more often over here!

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by Stephen Bennett
And let us know how long the new shelf lasts.

Did you mail about your new turnytubby vs the old Linn?

Stephen

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by Tony L
quote:
Whenever I visit the mana forum these days it just seems like the anti naim slagging session, often by certain people who are over here on a regular basis. It would be interesting if some of the people who accuse naim users as being sheep etc said it a bit more often over here!

The whole thing cracks me up - I find it hysterical. I have met or spoken on the phone to a lot of the Mana collective, and they are a really good bunch, but watching them all turn as a pack on one of their own for showing a degree of independent thought is bizarre in the extreme. Then they have the gall to shout "sheep" at us! We eagerly await the issue of official Mana prayer mats... or are they actually the Borg?

Tony.

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by Andrew Randle
TC,

I am sorry to see you go. You're one of the most open-minded and succinct geezers on the forum. Your postings in this very thread also reflect this.

Send me an email whenever you know you'll be in London - and bring some CDs wink .

Andrew

Andrew Randle
2B || !2B;
4 ^ = ?;

Posted on: 12 December 2001 by Simon Matthews
"are not stopped from defending Naim on the Mana Forum , please pitch in".

Trouble is I really cannot be arsed! I don't need an argument with a stranger to help convince me my naim stereo sounds f.....g amazing, MASSIVELY more so since getting fraim. I think mana is good stuff but as I have no intention of ever having any of it, it seems like I would be giving time to a forum irrelevent to both me and my system. This is especially the case recently where objectivity seems to have been replaced by rudeness and narrow minded opinions - a shame really as I have read plenty of interesting stuff over there in the past.

To be honest, apart from the naim forum I am more interested in a debate with some obscure vinly collectors forum or something similar. Found this today:
www.vinyloffer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Any thing else intereseting for vinyl heads out there