Your Must Have Classical Al***s ?

Posted by: smu on 26 September 2006

Good evening my hifi friends,

I'm trying to expand my classical cd collection so i'm looking for some good discs. What are your must have classical albums ? ?

kind regards, smu from Ulster.
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by Tam
Dear smu,

I shall post my must haves later - but you might like to take a look at some of the recommendations in the thread I have just bumped to the top (in particular the various getting started threads).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by smu
Thanks Tam.
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by Tam
Must haves, is probably a slightly different list than those listed on any of the threads on my list, so here goes.



Helmut Walcha's recording of Bach's goldberg variations on the harpsichord - the only problem with this disc (which is discussed at length on one of those threads is its availability - still, see the 'Walcha plays Bach, and not on the piano forte' thread for details of how to obtain it).



No classical collection ought to be without Charles Mackerras's cycle of the Beethoven symphonies - the sense of novelty and excitement he brings to these works is really something. Given it can be had for just £8 from HMV there is little excuse for not owning them.

Staying with Beethoven, I wouldn't want to be without a number of the piano concertos, however, I shall confine myself slightly - Solomon's reading of the 5th is wonderful, with a majesty beyond anything I've heard elsewhere. Either of Kempff's recordings of the 4th are also, in my view essential (and quite possibly unique by virtue of his use of his own cadenzas). The earlier mono reading is marginally finer but last time I checked the stereo was the cheaper (though you don't get all the fillers of the mono set, such as the Brahms first concerto).



One last Beethoven, in the form of Donald Runnicles' recording of the 9th symphony with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra - the way he infuses his reading with tension (combined with the excellence both of the Atlanta chorus and Telarc's recording) makes for quite something.



Perhaps not to all tastes, and not necessarily for newcomers to classical music, but I love Britten's War Requiem and I do not believe there is a more powerful account than that of Giulini and the Philharmonia (in which the composer led the smaller ensemble) on BBC Legends - true the sound may not be as perfect as the decca studio effort, but that hardly matters.

A second piece of Britten in the form of one of my favourite operas Paul Bunyan. The recording from Brunelle and his Plymouth musicians captures the beauty of Britten's score along what, for my money, is the finest opera libretto ever written (but then, with Auden writing, this is perhaps not such a surprise). That the work doesn't enjoy greater critical regard or sucess is still beyond me. Available at budget price on EMI (albeit without a libretto).

http://www.selections.com/cgi-bin/product/Product.pl?pr...utm_medium=affiliate

(can't comment on the veracity of the seller - but it was the only place I could find that has the budget set - amazon and others have the fuller price issue with libretto though, but that's closer to £20).




Mentioned in Fredrik's recent thread, Haydn was quite a symphonist and the London symphonies are perhaps the pinacle of his achievement. There are many fine sets (e.g. Davis with the Concertgebouw - also very cheap - and Bernstein with the NYPO) but nothing I have heard quite equals the majesty and lightness of touch of Jochum's cycle on DG.




I am a big fan of Janacek, and especially his operas. Again, I certainly wouldn't necessarily recommend these for someone getting started, but they are discs I couldn't bear to be without. No more so than when conducted by Mackerass. Decca have recently reissued this box of his cycle (albeit without librettos, but at the price, it's hard to argue):

I love Mahler and have been working for some time one a thread rounding up my collection. However, despite owning far too many copies of each symphony, the number I genuinely couldn't bear to be without is quite small. The third symphony for me captures everything Mahler is about, and does so wonderfully, but I have only heard to recordings (that are available) which really satisfied me: Haitink with the Concertgebouw (on Philips) and Rattle with the CBSO. I also would want to be without Kathleen Ferrier's Kindertotenlieder which are hauntingly beautiful. I'm not sure either of these are good Mahler starting points though and Szell's incomparable account of the 4th or the first from either Bernstein with the Concertgebouw (which seem to have been deleted) or Mackerras with the RLPO are better jumping off points.






You perhaps can't go wrong with Mozart and so I shall restrain myself. As noted on my Kleiber thread, I think the Giulini account of the Marriage of Figaro (now cheaply reissued on EMI) is wonderful. Similarly, and in a excellent English translation, Mackerras's reading of the Magic Flute, takes quite some beating.




Mozart's piano concertos are also really something and well covered in various of the threads linked to in my 'classical threads worth reading' link. I think I cover my favourite Brendel/Mackerras/SCO discs there. If you look at the Mozart Thread, you will also see some discussion of the Uchida/Tate/ECO survey which has recently been reissued very cheaply and brings an unrivalled (at least so far as I've heard) beauty to these works - you ought to be able to find it cheaper than that link but Amazon search was typically useless.






Lastly a mention to the symphonies - the Mackerras (basically - as you will no doubt have gathered by now, I pretty well regard any disc with his name on it as a must have) Prague Chamber Orchestra is also well discussed on the thread mentioned above - but the sparkle he brings to the early works in particular is really something. It is also available as individual discs. However, Mozart's finest symphonic works are probably his last and a finer reading of 40 and 41 I've never heard than Bernstein with the VPO (it probably doesn't hurt that this was the first classical disc I ever owned).

I realise I've mentioned very little solo piano music here, despite my great love for it. With Kempff it is hard to go far wrong, but one disc I treasure most (more so even than his wonderful Beethoven recordings) is his reading of Schubert's wonderful D960 sonata in b flat major (worryingly it may have been deleted).






Staying with Schubert and there is his magnificent great C major symphony (commonly the 9th). One the discs this year I cannot stop playing is Simon Rattle's new Berlin account (and yesterday HMV were flogging it off for just £5). It is possibly not to all tastes - if you don't mind mono sound, Erich Kleiber's reading is magnificent as is Giulini's on BBC legends. However, my second choice probably goes to Mackerras and the SCO as it is paired with a very fine account of the unfinished 8th symphony.




I am currently surveying my Sibelius for another thread, and while that includes several sets on my 'to be listened to shelf' I doubt any will surplant my favourite disc - Colin Davis and the LSO (on their own label) playing numbers 3&7. Some might perhaps argue that Sibelius is not good getting started material - possibly, but with this disc nothing could be further from the truth.








A work I've come to only recently is Verdi's Requiem (some of the music - in particular the fierce Dies Irae - will probably be recognisable even if you haven't heard the work in full). However, only one conductor (on disc) I have ever heard has ever truly convinced me in it: Giulini. Fortunately he has three recordings to choose from. While the EMI studio issue (with the likes of Schwarzkopf singing) might seem the sure bet, it in fact isn't (not least for the rather poor standard of the recording - where the in the loud passages, distortion blurs the music). The other two are on BBC Legends - one from a 1963 prom the other from a 1964 festival hall concert in mono. The second is probably marginally finer musically and certainly has more famous singers (though not significantly better). However, sound is better in 1963 - more so, the lack of an interval makes in a little more engaging. I wouldn't want to be without either, but if push came to shove I would take the earlier. However, the 1964 is also available of a DVD and seeing Giulini enraptured by the music takes the performance to another level entirely.








Lastly, I would mention Wagner. There are many fine recordings of his operas that I wouldn't want to be parted from, however, since they are about the least suitable 'getting started' fare I can imagine I shall not list them. Instead, I shall point to two very fine discs of 'chunks' of orchestral music from his operas which ought to whet the appetite nicely: Szell with the Cleveland Orchestra and Tennstedt with the LPO. If you can find it Runnicles in Dresden is better still (but Warner have inexplicably deleted it - I got mine from Amazon.de's marketplace).


There are many more discs besides these that I couldn't bear to be parted from and they may be found in Fredrik's library thread (perhaps he will bump it for us later) - there are perhaps my absolute favourites amongst my favourites.


regards, Tam

p.s. lastly I would not that in almost all cases the Amazon price can be bettered (often dramatically so by recourse the 'market place').
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by Tam
p.p.s. I realise I have included next to no chamber music - perhaps Haim will post on this, as he is certainly better able than me to do so.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by Big Brother
One of my favorite Mahler discs is of Leopold Stokowsky conducting the "Resurrection" Symphony in stereo on RCA. Also, piano music of Liszt perfomed by Claudio Arrau. Could mention many more, start slow and get to know the music one work at a time. Good Luck, Big Brother
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by KenM
I would suggest taking it slowly. Don't rush out and buy a huge pile of discs. Get to know one or two first, and decide where ypu want to develop your interest.

As a Mancunian, I am prejudiced in favour of the Halle and BBC Philharmonic Orchestras, but as an Ulsterman, you are not short of local choices. I have just been listening to a particular favourite by the Ulster Orchestra, conducted by Yan-Pascal Tortelier on Chandos. Milhaud's La Creation du Monde and Le Boef sur le Toit, Ibert's Divertissement and the suite from Poulenc's ballet, Les Biches. Wonderful stuff! CHAN 9023 if you want to get hold of it.

All the best in your search,
Ken
Posted on: 26 September 2006 by Tam
Quickly, before I go to bed, I would agree with both Ken and Big Brother - in that rushing out and buying a huge pile of discs is not the best strategy. Given which, my post was probably mistakenly overlong - it was not meant as a suggestion everyone should own most or even all the discs - merely a list of some of my favourites.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 27 September 2006 by Analogue
Smu,
Have a listen to Classic FM or Radio3 (for the best sound quality) and see if there is anything you fancy and go from there.
A full list of music to be played daily is in the Radio Times.
Hope this helps,
Chris N
Posted on: 27 September 2006 by Guido Fawkes
I'd second Tam's recommendation for



I'd always loved the music of Leos Janacek. I was introduced to it by music teacher at school when he noticed I had an Emerson Lake Palmer with a track called Knife Edge, which was Sinfonietta - it is even credited as Emerson Lake Janacek.

I had some Janacek - a Mackerras performance on cassette that I used to play in the car and an English version of Cunning Little Vixen.

Tam recommended this box set - it was inexpensive - and absolutely superb. I much prefer the Cunning Little Vixen on this set.

I still don't believe in the distinction between classical and non-classical music. I just believe there is lots of music, ancient (e.g. Dowland) and modern, that is there to enjoy.

Music what ever category you care to classify it in doesn't get much better than this set.

Fantastic and at less than £3 per CD Smile
Posted on: 29 September 2006 by smu
quote:
Originally posted by KenM:
I would suggest taking it slowly. Don't rush out and buy a huge pile of discs. Get to know one or two first, and decide where ypu want to develop your interest.

As a Mancunian, I am prejudiced in favour of the Halle and BBC Philharmonic Orchestras, but as an Ulsterman, you are not short of local choices. I have just been listening to a particular favourite by the Ulster Orchestra, conducted by Yan-Pascal Tortelier on Chandos. Milhaud's La Creation du Monde and Le Boef sur le Toit, Ibert's Divertissement and the suite from Poulenc's ballet, Les Biches. Wonderful stuff! CHAN 9023 if you want to get hold of it.

All the best in your search,
Ken


Your list is incredible and the links are especialy helpfull. sincere thanks for your time and help,it is very much appreciated. that also goes for everyone else who replied.
smu.
Posted on: 29 September 2006 by JWM
There are, of course, lots. If I had to choose two, the Hogwood Messiah would be there. But ultimately I have to say this:



It's not actually my favourite Classical work, but this is the first record I can remember my music-nut Uncle playing to me, when I was 3 or 4 around 1967-8 (the original magenta-sleeved vinyl, which I still have).

As a child, I was particularly taken by 'No 4' and I think it is still a wonderful recording of a master, Dennis Brain.

And it is to my Uncle and this record that I have to thank for instilling in me a love of music, ultimately of all genres. Which is why it is my 'Must Have Classical Record'.

James
Posted on: 29 September 2006 by graham55
To suggest just a few is tough, but here they are.

Beethoven: Symphonies 5 & 7 with Vienna PO/Carlos Kleber - DG Originals

Mozart: Marriage of Figaro with Vienna PO/Erich Kleiber - Decca Legends

Puccini: Tosca with La Scala/Callas & de Sabata - EMI GROC

Elgar: Cello Concerto etc with du Pre & Barbirolli/LSO - EMI GROC

Tchaikovsky: Symphonies 4 to 6 with Leningrad PO/Mravinsky - DG Originals (STEREO)

Mahler: Symphony 4 with Szell/Cleveland - Sony

R Strauss: Zarathustra & Heldenleben with Chicago SO/Reiner - RCA Living Stereo

Beethoven: Piano Sonatas (almost, but not quite, complete)/ Gilels - DG

All the above (except the Tosca) are classic (mainly early) stereo recordings, made by exceptional musicians, producers and engineers. I'll happily recommend another fifty or so, but I strongly support the advice just to get a few and get to know and love (or hate) them before moving on. Once you have an idea of what appeals, it becomes easier to suggest a few other potential areas.

Good luck!

Graham
Posted on: 29 September 2006 by Tam
Can't believe I missed the Carlos Kleiber Beethoven 5&7 - indeed a must have disc.

Must look out for those Gilels sonatas.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 29 September 2006 by graham55
Tam, you're often a wee bit remiss with the Kleibers, but we do what we can to keep you on the straight and narrow! I've listened to Act II of CK's Tristan for three days running since I saw your post - probably (in my estimation) the highlight of his recording career (albeit at its very end). That is indeed a must have recording, but not really for a beginner.

Gilels in Beethoven is very special, though!

Graham
Posted on: 29 September 2006 by fred simon


I must have dozens and dozens of must-haves, but since I don't see any Ravel listed so far, I must have some here:


Maurice Ravel: Orchestral Works - Dutoit/Montreal



To my ears, the best recorded performances of Ravel's complete orchestral works.



Un Coeur en Hiver



Stellar performances of Ravel's less well-known later trios and sonatas. Sublime stuff.


Finally, I highly recommend the Ysäye Quartet's recording of the Ravel and Debussy string quartet's, the best I've heard. Unfortunately, not only is it out of print, I couldn't even find an image of the CD cover anywhere on the web. They still record for Decca, and these are very popular works, so I really don't understand why they're not in print.

Fred


Posted on: 03 October 2006 by smu
Hey Tam, just to let you know that i've ordered Beethovens symphony no.9 (Donald Runnicles) and Mozart symphonies no.40-41 (Bernstein with the VPO). These should keep me going for a while. I'll let you know what i think of them. In the meantime i'm guna start getting the Gramaphone magazine,this months is an awards issue and looks very interesting.
kind regards, smu.
Posted on: 03 October 2006 by graham55
SMU

I had bought evey issue of Gramophon since December 1975 (and have every issue since then). But I gave up as of April this year, as it has slowly turned into utter crap. You should not expect any serious musical guidance there any longer

Graham
Posted on: 03 October 2006 by Tam
Dear smu,

Sadly I must agree with Graham. Not only has the quality of the writing declined markedly in recent years but, worse, the new layout is hopeless: overly busy, some sections with columns so small that no more than 3 words fit on each line, commentators (such as Armando Ianucci who would, frankly, be best left to their day jobs).

The cover CD is no longer much use either (since one has to put up with the chatter of the editor and editor in chief).

That said, there are one or two good contributors left - anything by Alan Blyth is well worth reading, for example.

Actually, I have been more impressed of late by both the BBC Music magazine and its editor. It has the added bonus of a rather better cover CD which often includes some rather decent performances from the Beeb's archives (more than justifying the cost of the mag, usually). I am told there is a very good French magazine (whose name escapes me) but I don't think my abilities are quite up to it.

Hope you enjoy the Runnicles and the Mozart - two fine discs - I'll be interested to hear your thoughts when they arrive (positive or negative).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 06 October 2006 by Wolf
Well I have a thing for Britten. At least a few pieces. I have the Four Sea Interludes and Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra by Giulini on EMI Angel. Love those interludes, I also used to have the Bournemouth Symphonieta Variations on a Theme by Frank Bridge and can't remember the symphony that was on there, but it was just stunning.

Mahler's Songs of a Wayfarer and Kindertotenlieder with Janet Baker on EMI angle Barbarolli and Halle Orch.

and the incomparable Leontyne Price singing Barber's Knoxville Summer of 1915, Thomas Schippers, New Philharmonia Orch. I also have Dawn Upshaw singing that on CD.

And Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta and Concerto for Orchestra. Salonen conducting the LA Phil on Sony. My home town band. Salonen is just a great conductor as the Phil is now a top rank orchestra. He's coming out with a new CD recorded live in Disney Hall last year to celebrate the new contract with DG. It has Stravinsky's Rite of spring, Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mtn (the original version) and Bartok's Miraculous Mandarin. I was there for the first two pieces the Bartok was recorded on a different night.

Just love that 20th century edge in music.

glenn
Posted on: 06 October 2006 by Tam
Dear Glenn,

I too am very fond of Britten - I shall look out for that Giulini issue. Have you heard his recording of Britten's War Requiem on the BBC Legends label, it really is quite something.

Also, there is a very nice reading of the 4 Sea Interludes from Runnicles and the orchestra of San Francisco Opera (the CD also has some exerts of Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk and the symphonic dances from West Side Story).


You might be aware, that Decca have been boxing up Britten's readings of his own operas which (while there are no librettos) offer stunning value for money:

http://www.amazon.com/Britten-Conducts-Operas-1/dp/B000...2443?ie=UTF8&s=music

http://www.amazon.com/Britten-Conducts-Operas-2/dp/B000...2443?ie=UTF8&s=music

http://www.amazon.com/Britten-Conducts-George-Malcolm/d...2443?ie=UTF8&s=music


Lastly, do you know what is perhaps my favourite Britten work (due to the wonderful Auden libretto) Paul Bynyan, mentioned above. The issue that contains the libretto may also still be available.


regards, Tam

(perhaps a Britten thread is in order)
Posted on: 06 October 2006 by Sloop John B
I still in nappies wrt classical but this is a magical album, one of my best purchases of 2006.




Mozart: Piano Concertos Nos. 6, 17 & 21 / Géza Anda



SJB