Is Berlin Fritz a Nutter?

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Originally posted by andy c:

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Fritz von Don't be daft Our Andy Senior Civil Servants don't ever lose pensions even if they've been inside for a spell, just you ask Our Mick John, or should I say Jack?

Oohh yer slightly off on yer info here, Fritzy dude@@

Show me the evidence son?

I wonder when the 1,4 Million Palestinians are going to be evacuated by their Arab (Semite) brothers then? as they've only been under full Israeli bombardment for three weeks plus after kidnapping an er, Israeli soldier, I knowe everybody just wants them to go away, innit, in otherwords die and shut up* or shut up and die even*?

I personally know of at least three occs' in the last 10 years, where officers were 'req to resign', and as such had to forfeit their pension rights, due to their 'misdemeanours'. That equates to no lump sum, and no monthly pension. It does happen. Other than naming names, which I'm not going to do, or specific incidents, which I'm also not going to do, i don't know what else i can say - your choice whether to believe me or not...

andy

That's exactly my point Our Andy, I mentioned & referred to long serving Senior Officers, where such things just do not happen. I suspect those to who'm you refer were all in under 10 years (ish)(O levels and NVQ's galore) and possibly had to use between that and the book really being thrown at them (resulting in a sentence, and how loved coppers are in the nick). There are bent coppers and there are bent coppers, and I refer and wont waste your or my time mentioning it anymore as they're far more important issues to hand, like what Our Mick will do with himself this weekend without wasting too much of his hard 'gotten' cash, now that he has no income, barring interest and rent from his tennants naturally?


Fritz von I think that Israel should have economic sanctions put against it*

2 out of three didn't meet your criteria.

Still, I can see you are bored with this now, so we'll move on, again.

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
You're not perchance the Editor of the Sun are you

Wish I was - I'd make more money and get to look at pictures of tits every day.

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Fritz von Most kind that you're spending so much time and effort coming onto my thread though

Ah think nothing of it.

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Most Iranians & Syrians that I've met in UK and here were highly educated, amusing and charming people, which is more than I can say for certain folk around here, innit**

Some are some aren't. I can't think of many Swedes who want to blow themselves up in public places or annihilate a neighbour state; these features are unique to certain countries out east... the exception being Isreal.

EW

Really! and there's me thinking the 7/7 Chaps were British Citizens taken in by bullshit and propaganda (even though they were no thickies and born in UK too) stop taking Bollocks or say something constructive and original (far harder than destructive and going with the flow of unreasonableness and apathy, cos i Is allright Jacob).



Fritz von Berlin hottest 20th July on record today topping 41°C (still 38°C now), I'm looking forward to a long day in school tomorrow, and she's (teech) off to the sun next week too, lucky gel*


P.S. You must surely have realised by now that I am totally unwinduppable, so try something new, or sod off to the round in circles thread with the other lemmings Jake*

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Originally posted by seagull:
Soon off for my holidays in the sun...

I've been looking through Amazon for some light reading but lacking inspiration.

I'd like something humourous and maybe a crime thriller, I've read most of Ian Rankin's books and the Morse books.

Any ideas?

Oy popeye! The Old British Constitution's well worth a read (shouldn't take yer long) and it's bloody hilarious to-boot Son*


Fritz von I trust you have a good'yun, & don't forget yer tin opener*

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
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I can't think of many Swedes who want to blow themselves up in public places or annihilate a neighbour state; these features are unique to certain countries out east... the exception being Isreal.

EW

This as much bollocks as I have ever read in a single sentence.

Come to think of it, when I was hard at lunch struggling over large G & T's in the Upper 6th, Sorry I mean my A level English Lit & Art diciplines? Many a fellow mate(ess) was hard at work doing their British Constitution A levels (+ many more) (all of who'm if I recall got max (A) O level Grades too) so I've often wondered what the fuck they had to write about, innit?



Fritz von So long as it get's yer into UNI Man who gives a toss eh*


Our Cherie was at the LSE by the way (totally no no at the time for extreme non-lefties, ever morer worserer than the later Uni von Essex:


Then there was Dr (Oh Fuck not health) Jocko Boy Reid) Sorry the Home Secretscray drunken Bully Boy who thinks he's leadership material*


Don't Be Vague I'm Hague (I'm in Charge)


Shirts, Good Gwief*


Goodnight even***

Who knows if the present weather had happenned a week or so back England could well have won the World cup!

Fritz von The Stones play the Stadium tomorrow night (not sold all out/first time) one Lady said to me earlier that it should be renamed the Wheelchair Tour (She's not far wrong God Bless em/Her) innit:

Where's The Mercy?*

Just been perusing The Rockall Times, very funny stuff. Sudan Stan and the friendly goat.
Beano

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Fritz,

When I have a had a few I get very mellow! But there are times when I run a tad short of patience! Not often, but it can happen.

The heat is too bad again, and it has actually made me feel a bit ill! Like, hung over without the cause!
All the best from Fredrik

Just never be a Webel Our Fredders, it's wery hard and lonely at the top I hear*

Best Wegards, Fwitz



Hittin the scratcher after a mega cold Eiffel*

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Originally posted by erik scothron:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
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I can't think of many Swedes who want to blow themselves up in public places or annihilate a neighbour state; these features are unique to certain countries out east... the exception being Isreal.

EW

This as much bollocks as I have ever read in a single sentence.

Which bit? The bit about suicide bombing being an Arab trait, not exhibited by people of other ethnicities (eg Swedes), or are you telling me that Isrealis also go in for suicide bombing? Or that Isreal's neighbours aren't really bent on its destruction? And that the desire to annihilate a neighbour state is NOT exhibited by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, et al?

I think what you mean is, you WISH the sentence was bollocks, or you just like to think it is.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

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Originally posted by erik scothron:

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
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I can't think of many Swedes who want to blow themselves up in public places or annihilate a neighbour state; these features are unique to certain countries out east... the exception being Isreal.

EW

This as much bollocks as I have ever read in a single sentence.

Which bit? The bit about suicide bombing being an Arab trait, not exhibited by people of other ethnicities (eg Swedes), or are you telling me that Isrealis also go in for suicide bombing? Or that Isreal's neighbours aren't really bent on its destruction? And that the desire to annihilate a neighbour state is NOT exhibited by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, et al?

I think what you mean is, you WISH the sentence was bollocks, or you just like to think it is.

EW

The japanese had suicide bombers. The Vietnamese had suicide bombers. Any people could be driven to it if desperate enough. Im sure the Jews at Masada would have done it if they had bombs back then. A tiny tiny minority of arabs have done it - to call it an Arab trait is nonesense. Israel has tanks, artillary, jet planes and nuclear weapons - they dont need suicide bombers, they have other means of causing havoc. Israel is the number 1 recipient of U.S. foreign aid, they get over 40% of the total U.S. foreign aid budget, even though tiny Israel is the 16th wealthiest country in the world, has no constitution, routinely breaks International Laws and has defied over 70 UN Resolutions. Iran may back Hezbollah but the US backs the Israeli terrorists. And as for Israel being the exception in not wishing to annihilate their neighbours you are manifestly and demonstrably two stops short of Dagenham imo.

Oh well, perhaps the world would be a better place if Dubya were to throw his support behind Iran and Syria then, and donate cash and weapons to Hizbollah eh? Them being thoroughly lovely and bursting with good intentions? (Like the annihilation of Isreal, I hear you mutter unto your deluded self.) Have a think about the real consequences not just for the region but the whole world if a bunch of unhinged terrorist guerrillas with an unnatural interest in the invisible man in the sky were allowed to annihilate the only civilised democracy in the entire region... even you wouldn't like it. At the moment they're just taking the piss, and they'll get the smacking they deserve, but given a bit more help from Iran and Syria...

The Japanse have indeed shown a suicidal proclivity too.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Oh well, perhaps the world would be a better place if Dubya were to throw his support behind Iran and Syria then, and donate cash and weapons to Hizbollah eh? Them being thoroughly lovely and bursting with good intentions? (Like the annihilation of Isreal, I hear you mutter unto your deluded self.) Have a think about the real consequences not just for the region but the whole world if a bunch of unhinged terrorist guerrillas with an unnatural interest in the invisible man in the sky were allowed to annihilate the only civilised democracy in the entire region... even you wouldn't like it. At the moment they're just taking the piss, and they'll get the smacking they deserve, but given a bit more help from Iran and Syria...

The Japanse have indeed shown a suicidal proclivity too.

EW

Methinks you have have been reading 'The Sun' too much EW. You make common errors. 1/ Israel has terrorists too. Much of the government and armed services are terrorists. The state of Israel was founded by terrorists. If Hezbollah destroy a house in Israel with a rocket they are terrorists and if Israel destroy a house in gaza by bulldozing it they are just tidying up?

2/ It is not the only democracy in the area. Lebanon had elections. Non Jews do not have the same rights in law as the Jews do in Israel and what rights the non-Jews have are being steadily eroded. Israel practices apartheid. Israel has killed, maimed and wounded more Palestians than the reverse. The Israeli media is not free and it is heavily censored and state controlled. So much for Israel being a democracy then.

3/ How would you fight back or how would expect most Britains to fight back if they were kicked out of their homes, by the homeless Serbs, had their homes bulldozed and 100s of thousands of us forced to live in ghettos where 50% of our children suffer from malnutrition? And when we fought back we were labelled 'terrorists' and not 'freedom fighters'. How would you feel then?

4/ Add up all the deaths cause by suicide bombers on average over a 10 year period and then compare that with the amount of murders in the US. Or even the amount of murders by serial killers in the US and see which is the greater number and think (for once - instead of reading the Sun)who has the most justification the poor sods kicked out of the homes and ignored by the west or the psychopathic perverts killing for their own amusment in the US. Then we can discuss traits.

You make some sarcastic remarks but you fail to make any good points. You have no argument at all. Do you think muslims are genetically hard-wired to become suicide bombers? They are less good at it than the Vietnamese were.

As for Dubya - he has no intention of making friends with Iran or Syria - he wants to provoke them so he has an excuse to grab the oil fields in Khuzestan an area in the south of Iran but you won't read about that in the Sun EW.

Erik

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Much of the government and armed services are terrorists. The state of Israel was founded by terrorists. If Hezbollah destroy a house in Israel with a rocket they are terrorists and if Israel destroy a house in gaza by bulldozing it they are just tidying up?

I don't think you really believe Isreal would set about its neighbours if they'd just learn to behave themselves. Unfortunately Isreal is regularly assailed from every side, and it must be rather annoying. Retaliation is inevitable, and I'm glad they're likely to win. One wonders what actuates Hizbollah, other that a somewhat peevish desire to annihilate Israel. I don't think Israel is actuated by any desire to annihilate Lebanon or even to occupy it, although one tends to think they'd like the fuckers to stop launching rockets at them and kidnapping their soldiers.

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2/ It is not the only democracy in the area. Lebanon had elections.

To be honest, spreading democracy out there seems to be a bad idea when you see who they elect...

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Do you think muslims are genetically hard-wired to become suicide bombers? They are less good at it than the Vietnamese were.

They seem pretty good at it, and I think the problem is that their religion gives them the idea that, 1) doing this shit is "holy", and 2) that it is rewarded in the hereafter by copious deflowerable virgins. I don't think other religions adjure their poor deluded followers to believe that there is any reward for blowing oneself up in a public place, in order to kill lots of people. I also venture to suggest that it's a grim reflection that they think being lumbered with 72 virgins is desirable. It shows you the kind of people we're dealing with.

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As for Dubya - he has no intention of making friends with Iran or Syria - he wants to provoke them so he has an excuse to grab the oil fields in Khuzestan an area in the south of Iran but you won't read about that in the Sun EW.

I don't read the Sun, I generally read the Telegraph, and I suspect you read the Guardian.

EW

EW - well we are not going to agree on this one, luckily we live is a (relatively) free country and disagree all we like. I may disagree with some of my friends but we are still friends and I think that is a wonderful thing. Tolerance and understanding is the thing.

During the 10 mins or so it took me to walk today to the main shopping centre where I live I must have walked past every nationality on the planet. The truth is the world is increasingly becoming like a global village and I think this is a healthy sign. Maybe one day every country will have such a mix of nationalites that the 'us and them' mentality or even any concept of 'nationality' will be a thing of the past.

I deserved the 'Guardian' jibe (although it is possibly more insulting than my Sun jibe)but actually I have very rarely read it, preferring as I do to make my own mind up about the issues of the day. I used to read the Telegraph until about 10 years ago when I switched to The Times.

Erik

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
EW - well we are not going to agree on this one, luckily we live is a (relatively) free country and disagree all we like. I may disagree with some of my friends but we are still friends and I think that is a wonderful thing. Tolerance and understanding is the thing.

During the 10 mins or so it took me to walk today to the main shopping centre where I live I must have walked past every nationality on the planet. The truth is the world is increasingly becoming like a global village and I think this is a healthy sign. Maybe one day every country will have such a mix of nationalites that the 'us and them' mentality or even any concept of 'nationality' will be a thing of the past.

I deserved the 'Guardian' jibe (although it is possibly more insulting than my Sun jibe)but actually I have very rarely read it, preferring as I do to make my own mind up about the issues of the day. I used to read the Telegraph until about 10 years ago when I switched to The Times.

Erik

Hehe, well I can't imagine you picked up your Poor Little Terrorist soapbox reading the Times either!

I sympathise with your view of utopia (I too am a closet utopian, as it happens), but I fear a harmonious global village will have to wait for religion to die. All things considered, I'd take some persuading that the changes - social, political and legal - that have been concomitant with the multicultural bandwaggon in Britain have been on the whole positive and beneficial. I perceive an accompanying degradation that is still in vigorous progress.

But then the world is a shithole and an inexorable worsening is to be expected.

EW

Dear EW,

Unfortunately I whole heartedly agree with you statement above. Religeon in almost all its various guises has been behind the most extra-ordinary evil over the history, and not because it is inherently evil itself, but because it is used as tool to deny people the autonomy and conscience to resist evil. Thus it must be removed, as it can never be purified beyond the human falibitiy of the people who control it, and then maybe we could get away from its inherent view that people from different religeons are essentially morally decadent, and infidels etc.

The act of faith is irrational, and inherently an act which denies humanity in the individual, and this is the humanity which must in every case bear the responsibility to fight evil through free thought, and fine conscience, whether promoted by religeous leaders or not.

Fredrik

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EW,

I have, hopefully some sympathy/compassion for the 'poor little terrorist' both Islamic and Israeli but whereas I might understand their motivations do I not agree with their actions AT ALL. There is no excuse for the atrocities commited by either side.

Multi-cultural societies are not built overnight. The transition in this country has been long and very challenging but we have come a very long way since the 1950s. If we progress by equal degree over the next 50 years we will have achieved something quite remarkable. Through a steady process of integration over several generations people will assimilate the best of different cultures and reject the worst - I think this is the human way. The only thing stopping this socal evolution are those who have a vested interest in divide and rule and who have the power to implement their agenda i.e. people like Bush, people like the Ayatollahs, people like far right in Israel. They are all just as bad each other. The only thing that separates them is the power of opportunity and it is up to all of us to make sure that they are not given this power. Collectively we have far more power than these creeps.

Yesterday I was introduced to a most, intelligent, cultured and warm hearted Syrian - we played chess in a bar over a couple of pints and I doubt you could possibly find a more fair and balanced person. My advice to you is to make friends with a muslim they are not all nutters. This is how wars are won.

Whether the world is a shithole or not depends upon your view of course.

Erik

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Originally posted by erik scothron:
Multi-cultural societies are not built overnight. The transition in this country has been long and very challenging but we have come a very long way since the 1950s. If we progress by equal degree over the next 50 years we will have achieved something quite remarkable. Through a steady process of integration over several generations people will assimilate the best of different cultures and reject the worst - I think this is the human way.

Thus far the process has comprised tolerating a good deal of retrograde and, by normal, established English standards, quite uncivilised behaviour, customs and rituals, in order to assimilate the much-vaunted multitude. I'll rack my brains for a positive effect of Britain's descent into multiculturalism and get back to you the minute I've thought of one. I may be some time...

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Yesterday I was introduced to a most, intelligent, cultured and warm hearted Syrian - we played chess in a bar over a couple of pints and I doubt you could possibly find a more fair and balanced person. My advice to you is to make friends with a muslim they are not all nutters. This is how wars are won.

Yeah, I've got a Syrian mate, lives in France, he's a Sunni. Nice.

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Whether the world is a shithole or not depends upon your view of course.

Ah you positive thinkers, you make me laugh! I think my thesis would be that its general unpleasantness was a rather more objective and verifiable matter. An old girlfrind of mine woke up dead the other day, and now I just think to myself, well that's just what you should expect to find, rummaging through the rich and varied dung-heap of life. As Fredrik once said, life's just a shafting no one would volunteer for. Nicely put.

EW

EW

There are those who shaft and those who get shafted. All you have to do is manouvre.

Regards

Mick

Dear Mick and EW,

To manouvre requires the ability and power to do so! Mind I can still enjoy the good moments between the shaftings!

All the best from Fredrik, who has had a lovely day, actually.