Who will you vote for.
Posted by: Mick P on 15 April 2005
Chaps
The Spectator is one of my regular reads and it made the point that this election will suffer from voter apathy because a large percentage of the electorate cannot differentiate between New Labour and the Tories. Labour has shifted to the right and this as blurred the gap between the two parties.
Therefore to help you make up your mind, click on here.
www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com
I came out as a Tory.
Regards
Mick
The Spectator is one of my regular reads and it made the point that this election will suffer from voter apathy because a large percentage of the electorate cannot differentiate between New Labour and the Tories. Labour has shifted to the right and this as blurred the gap between the two parties.
Therefore to help you make up your mind, click on here.
www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com
I came out as a Tory.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by oldie
quote:Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Greeny
Welcome to the real world........we all become Tories as we get older and wiser.
Regards
Mick
COLOR:RED]Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh No we Bl--dy well don't[/COLOR],AND I'M a lot WISER!!!!!
Just out of interest for you Mick,and also to show how far Blair has moved to the right, according to the test I'm now a Lib Dem [and I don't think I need to explain my position on the political spectrum ]funny thing is, that after 40 odd years of voteing for a Socialist Party,the nearest I can now getto one, will be to vote for the lib dem's, I didn't ever think I would be forced into that situation.
oldie.
My colouring in hasn't worked, see Blair has even managed to Bu--er that up for me.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Dev B
OK Mick,
Who do you think I'd vote for, here's my profile:
1. 37
2. Married, one child
3. Lives in Finchley (Thatcher's old gaff)
4. Home owner
5. Manager in one of largest companies in the world
6. Company car
7. Likes Jazz
Who do you think I'd vote for, here's my profile:
1. 37
2. Married, one child
3. Lives in Finchley (Thatcher's old gaff)
4. Home owner
5. Manager in one of largest companies in the world
6. Company car
7. Likes Jazz
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by HTK
quote:Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:quote:Originally posted by HTK:quote:Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Greeny
Welcome to the real world........we all become Tories as we get older and wiser.
Regards
Mick
No we don't actually. The older I get the less right my views become - but hopefully I've got a lot of getting older to do, so who knows? I expect that as long as my memory functions correctly I will stay left.
Yes, well as that very point was aired by Our Mick only weeks ago, I would say many memories are out of sinc, innit.
Fritz Von All aboard the Skylark
Yup. And now it's being aired again. Wouldn't want to be assumed to have agreed with such (IMO) rubbish by failing to respond.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Stephen Bennett
quote:Originally posted by Dev B:
OK Mick,
Who do you think I'd vote for, here's my profile:
Veritas
Stephen
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Mick P
Oldie
I am curious. Did you vote for Blair at the two previous elections.
It would be ironic if an old leftie like you helped to elect the man who shafted old labour, into power.
Regards
Mick
I am curious. Did you vote for Blair at the two previous elections.
It would be ironic if an old leftie like you helped to elect the man who shafted old labour, into power.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Mick P
Dev
I reckon you are the sort of chap who attends trendy dinner parties organised by Matthew in the posh suburbs of London.
After the party you will listen to suicidally depressing music.
You will tell everyone you will vote New Labour but you will secretly pray to God that the Tories get in.
Am I right or am I right.
Regards
Mick
I reckon you are the sort of chap who attends trendy dinner parties organised by Matthew in the posh suburbs of London.
After the party you will listen to suicidally depressing music.
You will tell everyone you will vote New Labour but you will secretly pray to God that the Tories get in.
Am I right or am I right.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by DIL
But just who is behind this ???
WHOIS leads to a 'Creative agency' called thoughtplay. Since, much to my surprise, I turned out to be a Green / Lib Dem, it makes you wonder ...
/dl
WHOIS leads to a 'Creative agency' called thoughtplay. Since, much to my surprise, I turned out to be a Green / Lib Dem, it makes you wonder ...
/dl
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by greeny
quote:Greeny
Welcome to the real world........we all become Tories as we get older and wiser.
Regards
Mick
Unfortunately the lib dems crap 50% tax rate, and local income tax, ideas which I 'strongly disagreed' with seemed to scupper their chances on my survey.
Still think they talk more sense that the other two most of the time though
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by 7V
quote:Originally posted by Dev B:
Who do you think I'd vote for, here's my profile:
Lib Dems, Dev.
The jazz is the giveaway.
7^
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Steve G
quote:Originally posted by David Legge:
I turned out to be a Green / Lib Dem, it makes you wonder ...
I wondered why it had me down as a Green when I've absolutely no intention of ever voting for those loonies. Still, could have been worse, as it might have had me down as a liberal democrat and I really hate them!
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Camlan
Greent
Whats wrong with local income tax, if properly set against income levels it would be a darned sight more progressive than Council Tax.
I also was surprised to have come out as LibDem (massively so) having always voted Labour - food for thought at least.
Whats wrong with local income tax, if properly set against income levels it would be a darned sight more progressive than Council Tax.
I also was surprised to have come out as LibDem (massively so) having always voted Labour - food for thought at least.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Camlan
Sorry meant Greeny. Can't type!
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Steve G
quote:Originally posted by Camlan:
Whats wrong with local income tax, if properly set against income levels it would be a darned sight more progressive than Council Tax.
Bring back the poll tax!
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Camlan
Steve. The whole point of opposition to the Poll Tax was it was not progressive - i.e linked to ability to pay. Council Tax is better but not perfect. A properly executed Local Income Tax would address these issues.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by oldie
quote:Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Oldie
I am curious. Did you vote for Blair at the two previous elections.
It would be ironic if an old leftie like you helped to elect the man who shafted old labour, into power.
Regards
Mick
Mick,
All will be revealed, but I thought I had confesed to my mis spent youth many threads ago!
when Blair first took over the "Labour Party" I have to admitt to supporting him in a attempt to remove the SLEEZY Torys. But my glee was very short lived, as well you know, as soon as he had his foot in the door, "Labour" became new Labour, and then the race to the right started, until we now have the situation ,that a Blind person hearing the two main parties manifestos read out would have great difficulty distinguishing between them.At the last bash I supported the "Real Labour Party" who put up a candidate in Brighton, but this time I will probably follow the advice given to me by your little questionare by voteing for the new left wing party
Happy now!!
oldie from out of the wilderness.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Bruce Woodhouse
I voted New Labour at the same time, for the same reason. My disillusionment started after about a week when they took Mr Ecclestone's shilling and failed to engage cigarette advertising. That single decision made me sick, and revealed them as grasping and unprincipled. My foolish illusion of a 'new politics' evapourated.
Bruce
Bruce
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Steve G
quote:Originally posted by Camlan:
Steve. The whole point of opposition to the Poll Tax was it was not progressive - i.e linked to ability to pay. Council Tax is better but not perfect. A properly executed Local Income Tax would address these issues.
If local services are to be paid out of income tax then I'd rather see the whole lot rolled up into one system rather than have a local income tax where the rate was dependent on where you live. The poll tax and council tax where supposed to make the amount you paid to a council dependent to at least some extent on the services you used, but it does seem to be the case that those people who use the council provided services least are often those why pay the most in council tax.
Overall I'd much rather see a flat taxation system where all the so called stealth taxes are brought into the open and it's a lot more obvious where your money is going.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by cunningplan
I'm pleasantly surprised how civilised this thread is, considering the topic! Perhaps we've all become Liberal
Regards
Clive
PS I'd vote for Screaming Lord Sutch... shame he's not with us anymore
Regards
Clive
PS I'd vote for Screaming Lord Sutch... shame he's not with us anymore
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Steve G
quote:Originally posted by cunningplan:
PS I'd vote for Screaming Lord Sutch... shame he's not with us anymore
We've got an equivalent to the monster raving looney party up here called the Scottish Socialist Party!
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by 7V
quote:Originally posted by Bruce Woodhouse:
My disillusionment started after about a week when they took Mr Ecclestone's shilling and failed to engage cigarette advertising. That single decision made me sick, and revealed them as grasping and unprincipled.
I understand your point, Bruce but all a ban would have done is move F1 out of the UK and put at risk the jobs of the few remaining British owned motor car engineering companies who, I believe, still dominate the motor racing industry.
Regards
Steve M
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Bruce Woodhouse
Jobs in motor industry vs premature death of of UK citizens.
Hmmm.
Hmmm.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by bhazen
Is there any nostalgia for Churchill left in Britain? I'd vote for him, if I was British and he could be recycled...
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Martin D
Tory
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by oldie
quote:Originally posted by bhazen:
Is there any nostalgia for Churchill left in Britain? I'd vote for him, if I was British and he could be recycled...
bhazen,
To answer your question, "yes" the usual minority group of miscreants,misfits and misguided, would dig him up and vote for him tomorrow.
But, if you remember your history, Churchill was a opportunist politician who would change his party at the drop of a hat.Whilst during the last world war, he no doubt,was the right man at the right time, his Gunboat policys,would not work, well not just gun boat he turned the guns/military on anyone who's actions he disapproved of.In todays world of diplomacy I just don't think he would go down to well. Just my opinion you understand.
oldie.
Posted on: 15 April 2005 by Camlan
Steve
Sorry I don't see how the Council/Poll Tax was designed to ensure that people who used the Council services most paid more. At least not in the case of the poll tax. I guess you could argue that in respect of the Council Tax then people with bigger houses use more services but it's tenuous to say the least.
Problem with rolling up income tax into one overall tax is you make local government wholly reliant on central government for funding.
I agree about 'stealth taxes' though. A taxation system should be as transparent as is humanly possible
Sorry I don't see how the Council/Poll Tax was designed to ensure that people who used the Council services most paid more. At least not in the case of the poll tax. I guess you could argue that in respect of the Council Tax then people with bigger houses use more services but it's tenuous to say the least.
Problem with rolling up income tax into one overall tax is you make local government wholly reliant on central government for funding.
I agree about 'stealth taxes' though. A taxation system should be as transparent as is humanly possible