Tangerine Dream

Posted by: JamieL on 24 April 2008

Since there were a few comments about Tangerine Dream appearing in one of the other threads I thought it would be worth starting a thread specifically for them.

Their official website is - http://www.tangerinedream.org/ you can always hear a few selections from their discography there.

There are a lot of resources on the web for them, perhaps the best is 'Voices in the Net' - http://www.voices-in-the-net.de/

If you have look through there you will find a very comprehensive discography including the Tree and Leaves releases from which the Bootleg Boxes and the Bootmoon releases were taken.

Up until the end of 1980 their concerts were wholly, or mostly improvised, so there are some real gems in the live recordings from that period that never surfaced on their official releases. Due to their contract with Virgin, the band are not able to release official versions (from the soundboard) of the shows from that period, so much of their best live music is only available from this source.

I have seen Tangerine Dream four times, sadly never in the 70s, I was too young. The 1982 concert at Sheffield (a couple of days before the live album 'Logos' was recorded) is still one of the best concerts I have been to. It was the first time I had heard samplers live, and the sounds they used blew me away, as well as being a very loud concert, but with a fantastic PA (no distortion).

I saw them again in 1986 and they were good, but not as good as 1982, then again in 1990 when they were boring, apart from a great guitar section. In 1986 a friend and I walked out of the gig as it was so dull, we preferred to go for a curry.

I love their music from the Virgin years, and just after, 1974-1986, but after that with Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling leaving the band, they became very bland. I also think that the effort to make electronic music had gone, the earlier synthesizers were hard to make them play, and when the digital synths took over it became too easy to make the sounds, and the music lost its edge. Edgar Froese also seems to like the sampled flute and pan-pipes far too much for my liking.

My favourite official albums by Tangerine Dream are: Rubycon, Encore, Exit, White Eagle, Logos and Poland.
The Royal Albert Hall performance from Bootleg Box1 is also a favourite and Brussels February 1976 from the Tree recordings.

There are a few bands out there still making the sort electronic music Tangerine Dream made in the 70s, and I much prefer to see these bands rather than what I last saw of Tangerine Dream, or heard about their more recent concerts (miming?).

Redshift - who's first album is very reminiscent of Rubycon - http://www.redshift.biz/

They are headlining a very small day festival 'The Hampshire Jam' - http://www.hampshirejam.co.uk/ , which is a very nice event to go to.

Free System Projekt are also worth hearing - http://www.freesystemprojekt.nl/ , they are playing in Leicester next month.

It would be nice to meet up if anyone is going to either of the above events.

Anyway, there must be a few other old hippies here into retro-electronic music.
Posted on: 24 April 2008 by naim_nymph
Hi Jamie, thanks for posting all this.

I've been exploring TD and from what i've heard so far it sounds very nice...
Just ordered Rubycon from playdot for a fiver so something to look forward too.
That's also all my disposable income blown for the week! : (

I just hope it's not that good cos my plastic squander card isn't very flexable these days ; )

kind regards~
nymph
Posted on: 24 April 2008 by jim learoyd
Try "Phaedra". Brings back memories from the 70s. I have a vinyl copy. Must dig it out again.

jim....

BTW Jamie you can borrow it if you like I live in Leeds.
Posted on: 24 April 2008 by JamieL
Hi Jim

I have Phaedra (vinyl and CD), but would love to meet up for a drink, or maybe a Naim comparrison session, can't have all the Naim meetups south of Sheffield.

I'm in North Leeds, Meanwood going on Moortown.

Drop me a mail jamie(at)vfx.vplay.co.uk

Jamie


quote:
Originally posted by jim learoyd:
Try "Phaedra". Brings back memories from the 70s. I have a vinyl copy. Must dig it out again.

jim....

BTW Jamie you can borrow it if you like I live in Leeds.
Posted on: 24 April 2008 by Toksik
Tangram is a favourite, have the Virgin boxset from the late eighties and qiute a few others mentioned above.
on my Nas server i have Tangents 1 to 5 which is another good collection.
never got to see them as was working overseas when the original band were touring.
on another side branch there is Isao Tomita whose oevre is quite interesting too.

dennis
Posted on: 25 April 2008 by fama

great movie music by tangerine dream
Posted on: 25 April 2008 by Richard S
Jamie

Thats a very fair appraisal of the ouptut of this group.

Tangram and Ricochet are my favourites. The Virgin box set is recommended not only for the selection of tracks but the pressings were done by Nimbus, famed for Classical LPs of high quality.

I also got to see them live between 1980 and 1986 and thoroughly enjoyed the concerts. The Logos tour you mentioned stopped off at Manchester Apollo and apparently featured the only time the curtain between the stage and auditorium was lowered. TD decided to use aone after a concert in Rheims, France became riotous and missiles destroyed a large part of their equipment.

I'll have to go and play something now......
Posted on: 25 April 2008 by ewemon


Always loved this Tangs album.
Posted on: 27 April 2008 by Nigel Cavendish
If you have only one album, it must be Zeit...
Posted on: 27 April 2008 by BigH47
I only have 1 TD album Rubycon I thought I was buying Meddle. I think I have played Rubycon twice, says it all really. Lost count of the number of times I have listened to Meddle once the error was rectified.
Posted on: 27 April 2008 by JamieL
I probably play Rubycon far more than Meddle, but it is not as easily accessible.

They are different bands, so whichever you like best you will play.

They do have in common that after the mid 80's through members leaving they lost an awful lot.

Jamie


quote:
Originally posted by BigH47:
I only have 1 TD album Rubycon I thought I was buying Meddle. I think I have played Rubycon twice, says it all really. Lost count of the number of times I have listened to Meddle once the error was rectified.
Posted on: 03 May 2008 by Nick Lees
Tangerine Dream are one of those bands for me that are completely addictive in a binge sort of way. Every few years I'll play a pile of their stuff and then branch out into the more recent exponents of the style.

When buying them I always felt faintly guilty - after all I already have a stack - do I really need more? Mostly the answer is "Yes!" and I've ended up with almost all the official stuff up to the pretty dreadful Optical Race and a few of the better Bootmoon releases. With the odd exception it's all wonderful though there are some who disdain them from the point where they discovered melody (i.e. about 1975/6). Hey Ho.

I'll second Jamie's call on Redshift, who are excellent and add a couple more who I feel are on the same level...

Rogue Element have only made the one album but it's a monster - in the style of Edgar Froese's Epsilon In Malaysian Pale and Macula Transfer, which huge soundscapes dominated by the mellotron.

Even better than Rogue Element are the two solo albums from former Rogue Brendan Pollard, Expansion and Flux Echoes. Both heavily Froesian in a 70's way. Sample here.

Up there with them are Radio Massacre International, though perhaps their best album Rain Falls In Grey (their tribute to Syd Barrett) is much less indebted to the Berlin school.

Also highly recommended:

Arcane - not many releases but 33 / 1/3 is excellent.

Michael Hoenig - Departure From The Northern Wasteland is also well worth getting. Hoenig was in early-70s Berlin band Agitation Free (wherer Chris Franke came from) and briefly joined them on a US tour before leaving again. He made this one album in the Tangs style back then and it's a winner.

Synth Music Direct is a useful source of samples for all things electronica, though their reviews are less helpful - they tend to love pretty much everything indiscriminately!

Oh, and if I could take only three Tangs albums to a desert island they'd be Logos (end-to-end magnificence and great tunes) Phaedra (for the atmosphere) and Exit (shorter but even better tunes, inculding the magnificent Kiew Mission)
Posted on: 04 May 2008 by JamieL
Hi Gary

Are you going to see Redshift at the Hampshire Jam this year?
http://www.hampshirejam.co.uk/

It might be their last performance, after the album 'Last' from a few months ago.

I am also going to see Free System Projekt in Leicester in a couple of weeks, it you are there it would be good to meet up.

I must try some Brendan Pollard/Rogue Element.

I forgot to mention R.M.I, I have seen them a couple of times, the first was superb, but the second time I didn't enjoy very much. They are moving away from the electro feel, more towards space rock (think Hawkwind, but not as heavy, or a big hint of Pink Floyd). I am in a minority not being into them, a lot of people really like them.

Jamie

quote:
Originally posted by Gary Shaw:
I'll second Jamie's call on Redshift, who are excellent and add a couple more who I feel are on the same level...
Posted on: 04 May 2008 by willem
Electronic Meditation (1970) is my favourite Tangs record. I have a recent reissue.
Posted on: 04 May 2008 by Steve2701
Jamie,
TD have been probably been my longest lasting musical taste - having been there since 1976.
Went to just about every concert tour from '76 till they started to fall apart. Still to this day I listen to several of their (usually earlier)tracks (or inspired by them) every day.

Some of my favourites are from soundtracks such as Legend, Thief etc and as for the saviour of them (sic) Redshift, Ether takes some beating.
Hapshire jam was booked months ago - shame its the last one, and lets hope theat the modular moog puts in its usual stunning appearance - oh to hear 'Halo' live!
Whatever happened to building a sequence from virtually nothing and let it run for ten minutes?
See you @ the Jam..
Posted on: 18 May 2008 by naim_nymph
A young 25year old friend/colleauge of mine is mad keen on Tangerine Dream, and she's asked me to locate an available cd (or cd's) which contain film soundtrack music from...

Near Dark
Fire Starter
The Keep


Can anyone here recommend or point me in the right direction?...
i've looked on amazon playdot and hmv but i'm more than a bit puzzled at what is worth buying...

nymph
Posted on: 19 May 2008 by JamieL
I will have a look as to what is available from these. 'The Keep' has been a very difficult to find the soundtrack ever since it was first released. Not sure about the others.

I am away from home at the moment, so will check my info when I get back home.

Also have a look at the 'Voices in the Net' link on the previous page of this thread, as that will give some useful information about those releases.

I saw one of the best electro gigs I have ever seen last Saturday in a church in Leicester (next best thing to Tangerine Dreams 1974/5 cathedral performances for which I was way too young).

Free System Projeckt at St. John's Baptist Church in Leicester, it was two hours plus, of Rubycon type sequencer and mellotron (simutalor) beauty in a darkened summer church with lazers silhoutting the guys on stage, and a gothic building beyond.

Definitiely one of the best eletro gigs I have ver seen. It was recorded, and I spoke with Dvae from SMD/Musiczeit afterwards and may have the opportunity to make a cover artwork for a release of the show. Can't wait to hear it again.

Jamie
Posted on: 21 May 2008 by Nick Lees
quote:
Originally posted by JamieL:
I will have a look as to what is available from these. 'The Keep' has been a very difficult to find the soundtrack ever since it was first released. Not sure about the others.

Free System Projeckt at St. John's Baptist Church in Leicester, it was two hours plus, of Rubycon type sequencer and mellotron (simutalor) beauty in a darkened summer church with lazers silhoutting the guys on stage, and a gothic building beyond.

Definitiely one of the best eletro gigs I have ver seen. It was recorded, and I spoke with Dvae from SMD/Musiczeit afterwards and may have the opportunity to make a cover artwork for a release of the show. Can't wait to hear it again.

Jamie

This sounds really good - I envy you and wish Leicester was nearer. You seriously need to listen to the Brendan Pollard stuff.
Posted on: 21 May 2008 by flatpopely
I'm north of York with a fairly interesting take on the Linn Naim Paradigm as well TD stuff on vinyl and CD. All (well subject to approval!!!) welcome for a beer and a listen.

quote:
Originally posted by JamieL:
Hi Jim

I have Phaedra (vinyl and CD), but would love to meet up for a drink, or maybe a Naim comparrison session, can't have all the Naim meetups south of Sheffield.

I'm in North Leeds, Meanwood going on Moortown.

Drop me a mail jamie(at)vfx.vplay.co.uk

Jamie


quote:
Originally posted by jim learoyd:
Try "Phaedra". Brings back memories from the 70s. I have a vinyl copy. Must dig it out again.

jim....

BTW Jamie you can borrow it if you like I live in Leeds.
Posted on: 23 May 2008 by Nick Lees
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
Gary try this www.hampshirejam.co.uk
Munch

Now that is seriously tempting. Excellent line-up. Thanks Munch.
Posted on: 26 May 2008 by Voltaire
Thanks Jamie,

my local recrord fair has tons of TD for peanuts but I didn't know where to start...I do now.

Gordon
Posted on: 28 May 2008 by JamieL
Tangerine Dream are playing London in November, from their website:

"November 1st Tangerine Dream will perform a 3 hours show at THE FORUM in London (Kentish Town).

They will start with the analogue years and finish with a digital outlook to the next decade of music by using high tech
electronics. It will be a special event, because a bigger part of the set has never been performed live."

They are also playing the Loerely Festival in Germany on 18 July.

I am not sure if I am tempted by the London gig, recent reports of live performances have not been very positive. Hopefully I will get to hear a broadcast, or recording of the Lorely show and get an idea of how they are playing.

Free System Projekt on the other hand are playing beautifully at the moment, and their recent concert in Leicester is now available for download at MusicZeit, there are samples there too:
MusicZeit FSP British Aisles


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Posted on: 03 June 2008 by JamieL
quote:
Originally posted by munch:
The TG gig in November is supposed to be analog stuff from the 70s not heard before.


Hi Munch

I think the wording on their website is a little ambiguous:

"They will start with the analogue years and finish with a digital outlook to the next decade of music by using high tech electronics. It will be a special event, because a bigger part of the set has never been performed live."

They did play a concert advertised as 'Phaedra' three years ago, which started with versions of pieces from 'Phaedra', 'Rubycon', etc, then they played material from throught their career. The 70s music probably comprised about 25 minutes of the show at most, and was played on contemporary instruments.

The track listing for that show was:
1. Ricochet, Part Two [excerpt] 4:18
2. Phaedra [excerpt] 10:55
3. Mysterious Semblance At The Strand Of Nightmares [excerpt] 6:32
4. Rubycon, Part One [excerpt] 6:36
5. Force Majeure [excerpt] 4:37
6. Desert Dream [excerpt] 4:21
7. Underwater Twilight 6:46
8. Warsaw In The Sun 4:14
9. Midnight In Tula 4:04
10. Silver Scale [excerpt] 6:05
11. Logos Blue [excerpt] 5:04
12. Choronzon 4:47
13. Poland [excerpt] 5:00
14. Song Of The Whale, Part Two: ...To Dusk [excerpt] 4:12
15. Oriental Haze [2005 live version] 5:20
16. Bridge [Bridge Towards The Evening Star] 3:07
17. Towards The Evening Star (Blue Gravity Mix) 8:54
18. Catwalk 9:04
19. Melrose 7:05
20. Backstreet Hero 7:07
21. Rising Haul In Silence 8:54
22. Lamb With Radar Eyes 7:25
23. Meta Morph Magic 7:29
24. Talking To Maddox 9:07
25. Homeless 10:50
26. Purple Haze 3:14
27. Edgar's Closing Words 1:09

The unheard material is very unlikely to be compositions from the 70s which were mostly improvisations anyway, but is probably a set of modern material to be performed after the 'classic' tracks.

I will wait and see if I can hear a version of their summer German festival show, and see how they perform. I never really know with Tangerine Dream if their shows are going to be good or not these days.
Posted on: 05 June 2008 by Whizzkid
Just listened to Force Majeure on vinyl and well.


FANTASTIC IT WAS



Dean..