Another MAC question

Are you using a ethernet cable for the initial back-up or using the wireless? It does sound a bit too long if you are using ethernet, but is perhaps understandable over wireless. My initial backup via ethernet took over 8 hours as I recall.

No I did use the wireless setup, it just finished.

It does seem long, I managed a wireless 120 GB iTunes library back up in less time. With hindsight, I think larger file transfers are better managed via ethernet.

With respect to your other post, I am another satisfied user of Delicious Library. It struggles with some classical titles, but manages most other genres relatively well. Just make sure you disable the audio function.

Huw

If your mac is not N equipped then the wireless speed would be entirely possible.

61gigs on wireless N took around 7 hours here and 3.5 on gigibit ethernet.

Good news is it will only back up changes now.

It won't be any changes now the time capsule has disappeared and although other network items are working my homehub monitor programme shows no wireless connections only the PC on ethernet.
I'm less than impressed so far.

Also can I get a proper English spell checker?

Which OS are you using?

OS is OS X 10.5.5 IMAC is about 5 weeks old BTW.
BT wireless hub is Home Hub 2 should run 802.11n

My existing "network" :-

BT HH2 to
PC by direct cable ethernet
iMAC, and 2 laptops wireless connections.

What I want to do is connect Time Capsule in to the network for Time Machine back ups and to use as a "server" for a printer/hard drive for my "network".

Howard,
How did you set up your Time Capsule? If password protected it may not be visible to your router. Mine has a name and is password protected. From the finder window I can see the drive but need to open it from the finder if I have not used it for a few days. I think it has something to do with the dynamic IP address from my ISP. When the IP address changes then the conection is broken and must be renewed. Do you know whether you have a dynamic or static IP address? I have thought about a static address as this would allow remote access to both my Mac and the Time Capsule drive.
Sorry to hear it is not going smoothly for you.
Huw

I believe the BT HH2 uses dynamic IP addresses.
Yes I did set up with name and password.
Time Capsule is directly cabled to the MAC ATM.

Also, the discussions forum on the Apple website is a good place for support and quick responses to questions, problems and concerns.

Thanks Huw I'll see what I can find.

Looks Like Tony Lockhart could do with some support.

Howard,
I think the dynamic address only affects remote access so that may be a false alley. I will see how my back up works as I have the feeling that the back up hangs if I do not manually open the time capsule.
Huw

quote:

Originally posted by BigH47:
Thanks Huw I'll see what I can find.

Looks Like Tony Lockhart could do with some support.

Thanks Howard. I'm ok, honestly! I just called the ex-girlfriend to explain how good Apple were with the returns, and I mentioned I had looked at the Dell website. Ouch. She said that was defeating the object, so I'll probably be going back into the Apple website next week.

Tony

Tony - I would give them the benefit of the doubt and see how your next machine works for you. My parents switched from a Dell based system recently, although they retain the Dell for some PC based applications related to my mother's work. My Dad, no friend of computers, loves the Mac whereas my Mum is constantly comparing it with the Dell. I think you have to determine whether it works for you and if not, then so be it.

Like hi fi it is easy to become a fan boy and Apple seems to merit this reaction because of the positive experience many of us enjoy, cf. our Naim kit. That said, on the Apple discussions forum you will find plenty of examples where things do not run quite so smoothly as one would wish.

Best,
Huw

Regarding the time capsuale, presumably you have turned off the N wireless on the BT home hub?

It sounds to me like you were routing info though the BT homehub into the time capsule, might explain the issue of speed as well.

So basically here is what you want. The BT homehub only wants to serve you internet and IP addresses (internal)

The homehunb no doubt has DHCP on by default and is dishing out IP addresses, thats what its designed for. However I have not set one up. There must be a way to set it up to turn off the wireless. Do that.

Plug your timecapsule into you mac using an ethernet cable just to set it up. Turn it on and use airport assistant int he utilities folder. It will be discovered.

Follow the process but make to set it up as 'bridged mode'

Set it up for wireless and give your wireless network a name and password. USe numebrs and letters in the password.

ONce set up the light might stay orange until you plug the home hub into it via ethernet. So do that, you can disconnect the mac from it. Trun on the homehub, then after a minute or so the time capsule. Allow it time to go green then connect one of your wireless devices. You will need to pick your new network name and enter the password.

On the initial set up of the time capsule you will be asked to give it a password, this is a password to setut up not the wireless network password.

So in conclusion the homehub is now just there to do internet and IP addresses. The time capsule now handles wireless connectivity. The TC also has gigibit ethernet so if your other computers support this and can be connected via ethernet this is by far the quickest way, transfer rates are nearly as fast as harddrive will allow.

Hi garyi is it possible to exchange e-mails over this item? My addy in profile.
Regards

Howard

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quote:

Originally posted by BigH47:
As I'm not visiting with Adam (see System Pics 2008) I'd thought I would annoy him another way by ask several new questions.

I installed a 1 Tb Time capsule yesterday as an extra on my existing HomeHub set-up. It's almost 22 hours since and it still hasn't finished it's initial back up (61.5 Gb). Does this sound correct?

It is going at about 10Mb/s (based on the data you gave and allowing for some Ethernet and WPA overhead) - I use an Apple Airport Extreme for my wireless network and it would work at 5x that speed.

If you use 1Gb/s wired Ethernet connection then it go around 100x faster - so you should be much faster.

Also if you have security set-up on your wireless network then it will be encrypted so it'll take longer than if it was not encrypted. Over a simple Ethernet cable there is no need to encrypt so it'll be even faster - probably around 15 minutes instead of 22 hours if I've done my sums right.

ATB Rotf

I just looked up BT home hub and it's claimed wireless network speed is 600Mb/s - leaves my old Apple Airport Extreme for dead. It should be working faster than it is - I can't understand why it should matter if it has a dynamic or static IP address - it should have the same IP address from the time it first connects to the wireless hub until the time it disconnects (in fact longer because they'll be extra time).

600Mb/s is 75MB/s - so if there were no overheads then 75GB would take 1024 seconds or 17 minutes - it'll never work that fast because of overheads, but if it takes more than 1 hour then something ain't right.

I'm assuming you're not doing something else on your network at the same time.

ATB Rotf

Just thought is one of your other network devices running slower than the home hub because I think it'll work at the lowest speed of any of the wirelessly connected devices. Turn the PC off and see if it makes a difference.

PPS - Maybe my calculations are awry if Gary says it takes 3.5 hours over Gb Ethernet, but I'm sure my Firewire drive only takes around 30 minutes to do that amount of data.

I just used the bandwidth calculator at http://www.ibeast.com/content/tools/band-calc.asp - your home hub if it is running at the N standard should be equivalent to OC12 and that comes out at just over 14 minutes - as said above this not realistic because of the WPA stuff, but it shouldn't take 88 times longer.

To be perfectly honest I don't know whats going on. I have the Time capsule directly connected to the MAC as that at least seems to give reliable back ups, although I have not tried to recover anything yet.
When doing setups I always get asked questions I don't know the answer to, and getting advice I don't understand, I'll make notes next time and ask appropriately.
What I was hoping to do was to connect the TC into my network but when I do it does not stay stable very long.talking to my mate today he said why don't I use the TC as the wireless hub but ethernet cabled to the Home hub.That would require the wireless to be switched off on the BT home hub and I haven't sussed that out yet.
Share the printer with the 2 other lapstops in the house also.
I'm going to Brighton tomorrow (Friday)to have the PIC upgrade done on my CDS2 so I'll try and get up to the Apple shop in Queens road and chat with them.

Howard

None of you guys have told me that new products get 90 days free telephone support, how good this will prove to be time will tell.I was told this in the Apple shop in Brighton today.

BTW munch I had my old external H/D connected and the back ups kept failing.

BTW did you know you get 90 days free telephone support?

I can't understand why Apple is dropping Firewire as Firewire hard drives are a great way to do a back-up until that times comes when hard drives are replaced with solid-state, but that's not until next year

Please be aware that the speeds described on the packaging is bullshit, surely you know that. Throughput which is the important figure varies wildly depending on how far you are. And here are some real world figures for you:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/802-11n-router-roundup.ars

Sorry howard missed your request, please email me on garethirwin@mac.com and lets see if we can fire it up.

Thanks Gary email to follow.