Classical threads worth reading

Posted by: Tam on 29 May 2007

It's been a while since I posted this (so long the original has fallen by the wayside). However, I noticed a couple of threads that lead me to think its return is merited. I have updated it a little since the last time (though there are probably a number of good recent threads missing, so please point out any omissions). Newcomers to the thread, please note that more up to date versions of this list can will may be found further down the thread.

An excellent thread on getting started in classical music may be found here (particularly my post 4th from bottom).

Also see Fredrik's excellent 'first' threads:

Piano

Concertos

Symphonies

Choral

Opera


And Nigel's First Bach

Milo's Quartets

Sloop's first Moart

Mansoor's Classical Guitar


You can also view Fredrik's library though the full thing only appears on page two. Most of my library is also listed. Actually, you could do a lot worse than just search the forum and read all Fredrik's posts.


It has been suggested, perhaps fairly, that some of the threads listed here can be more than a little intimidating to the uninitiated. This paragraph marks the dividing line between the 'getting started' type threads above and the more in depth discussions below. However, such characterisations are not hard and fast and if you see something that looks interesting below, you have nothing to lose by checking it out.


Along more in depth lines is Todd's wonderful post on Beethoven's Emperor concerto.

Indeed, any of Todd's posts make good reading (if you like your Beethoven sonatas, search out "plays Beethoven" to find a cornucopia of knowledge (e.g. this one on Uchida).



Bach:

Goldberg Variations

Walcha Plays Bach

Bach not on the piano forte

And my sequel to those last two two.

Yet more Walcha, this time playing Bach's organ work.

And one final Walcha thread containing some info and discussion about a recent budget reissue of his earlier mono organ cycle.


Beethoven:

Symphonies

Specifically Bohm and Kleiber in 5&7 and Klemperer's Testament Issues.


Brahms:

Piano concertos

Symphonies


Bruckner here and here.


Elgar here


Handel's 12 Grand Concertos.

And those who like their Mahler here (I am currently working on a thread rounding up my entire collection of Mahler symphonies, but I suspect it will be some time in the works yet).


My Mozart thread may be of interest as well as this one on concertos.

Schubert's Great C Major Symphony.

My ongoing Siblius series may be found here

And Wagnerians may like to look here.



Conductors:

Eugen Jochum



Also possibly of interest:

Tuning in Baroque Times

Technique, Musicians, and Expression Of Emotion In Music

Tempi and Repeats

Verdi - Don Carlos

Minimalism

Todd's thread on exploring lesser known works and his more recent new music log.

The Edinburgh Festival 2006 and 2005. Reviews will be posted to the2007 thread at the time.


regards, Tam

p.s. As noted above - if you recall a good thread, even if you don't want to (or can't) track down the link, mention it and I'll try and find and add it to the list.
Posted on: 29 May 2007 by acad tsunami
Excellent Tam. Thank you.
Posted on: 30 May 2007 by David Sutton
Tam,
There is a wealth of knowledge in these collected posts. Fantastic thanks.

David
Posted on: 30 May 2007 by fidelio
tam, many thanks for taking the time to post these threads. i'll somehow find the time to skim through them better someday soon ...
Posted on: 31 May 2007 by Tam
You're all welcome. Actually, not that much has gone into it, for a while at least. When I first put the list together about a year ago I was suffering from being between work which left me with too much time on my hands. Thankfully that situation has now been remedied, but I haven't been keeping this up to date. A couple of thread recently prompted me to dust it off (with one or two revisions and updates).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 12 June 2007 by u5227470736789439
Here is a good post for your list Tam.

The Lowest Note.

Which covers why there is no real need to have a ruler flat bass response below about 35 Htz in replay to achieve musical results!

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 14 June 2007 by KenM
Would it be possible for the moderators to stick threads like this in a separarte section (at the top)?

They are so useful.

Adam?
Posted on: 18 June 2007 by Tam
Fredrik - that's been added to the list (which will appear when I post the next revision.

Ken - we did suggest that with the last thread. It fell on death ears. But as Beethoven violin concerto thread demonstrates, it would be useful. Until then, I guess we'll just have to keep bumping it back to the top.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by Tam
bumped - with reference to the Mozart thread (see Sloop's first Mozart thread listed near the top).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 27 June 2007 by droodzilla
Thanks Tam - much obliged!
Posted on: 28 June 2007 by Chris Kelly
I never cease to be amazed by the generosity of people on this forum with their knowledge and their time. I have learnt so much since I joined, about music of all sorts as well as about the hardware. Thanks Tam for continuing to put in the effort to keep these valuable threads alive and available.
Posted on: 09 July 2007 by Sloop John B
I was looking for this thread so thought I'd give it a quick bump.



SJB
Posted on: 01 August 2007 by Tam
Was looking for this, so I've bumped it again.
Posted on: 06 August 2007 by u5227470736789439
Dear Tam,

Here is another great old Thead

THE FIRST BACH ORGAN INTEGRAL OF HELMUT WALCHA by R d S

I am wracking my brains for more of the similar significance!

Kindest regrards from Fredrik
Posted on: 07 August 2007 by Tam
Dear Fredrik,

That is actually already on the list (though I will tidy the Walcha references up a bit next time to make it clearer).

regards, Tam
Posted on: 07 August 2007 by u5227470736789439
Ooops! I am giving the subject thought though!

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 07 August 2007 by droodzilla
This finally prompted me to order Walcha's AoF - hope it lives up to the "hype"!
Posted on: 07 August 2007 by u5227470736789439
Dear Droo,

Be ready for an austere experience, but one which will never go stale.

I listened to it once again on Sunday, as I do about every month. There are no words for it actually.

ATB from Fredrik
Posted on: 07 August 2007 by Unstoppable
I found an old Lp of the Preludes and Fuges in mono with Walcha. Very intense, I can only listen to one at a time before I can absorb it, rest, and go onto the next.

Not for the feint of heart. Not for 'casual' listening.
Posted on: 09 August 2007 by Tam
Is that the Well Tempered or the organ work?

Either way, I suppose is shows how much a of a personal thing it is - as I can listen to Walcha's Bach for hours (more so the harpsichord than the organ).


Droodzilla, will be interested to know how you get on with the Art of Fugue.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 09 August 2007 by Unstoppable




Tam,

Hope this downloaded okay. Found it in a used shop for .50. It is some of the organ works on a single Lp.

By the way, I noted with interest your Jazz selections in the Library thread. Have you by chance heard Kieth Jarrett's recording for ECM of the Well Tempered. Heard bits of it years ago, might be worth keeping an eye out for.


Kindest Regards


Unstoppable


P.S. One of the reasons I don't listen to all the works at once is because my Lp12 is in repair and I am currently using a portable record player. Not conducive to long listening sessions !
Posted on: 09 August 2007 by Guido Fawkes
Just been reading Tam's excellent thread on Sibelius - here.

Also found in my old record collection an album I didn't know I had with Eugene Ormandy conducting The Philadelphia Orchestra - Finlandia, Swan of Tuonela, Karelia Suite, Valse Triste and En Saga. Just played it.
Posted on: 09 August 2007 by u5227470736789439
That old LP cover says it all. This was a triumph of content over style! There is a style, but it is hardly today's idea of it!

ATB from from Fredrik
Posted on: 09 August 2007 by Guido Fawkes
You're right Fredrik - it didn't sound particularly convincing. I couldn't remember buying it, but I must have done. I prefer the other interpretations I've heard in last couple of days. I preferred the Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra and my old Karajan set.

However, my knowledge in this area is very limited - so my views are highly subjective. These threads are very useful to me, it's an education.
Posted on: 09 August 2007 by Tam
Dear RotF - my views are highly subjective too, and at the end of the day, most of what I write is just saying what I like (and hopefully explaining why), just with lots of words.


Dear Unstoppable - thanks for the pic. I know the LP (or at least - I have all his recordings from that series), and I do see what you meant. I find I can listen to his harpsichord stuff for hours. The organ work such as that disc, a little less so, and often I do like a pause after each one. Actually, it brings to mind something Sony did on a couple of their Miles Davis box sets where they put in pause tracks, which I thought were a wonderful idea. Testament have nice long gaps between works on their CDs too - as often, even if you want to go straight on, a little pause for thought can be wonderful.

I had no idea Keith Jarrett had recorded the Well Tempered, but I shall be looking out for it now. My jazz collection is extremely eclectic (dominated by Miles Davis and Bill Evans with a smattering of other things). This isn't so much a conscious decision, but more that my music buying focus over the last few years seems to have been classical (but I'm sure the pendulum will swing back the other way a bit at some point - just the other day I bought my first jazz discs in ages plugging a few Coltrane gaps: A love supreme, Ascension and the second live village vanguard).

regards, Tam