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Posted by: Mike Dudley on 20 February 2010
Went "up west" last night to Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club (in itself, a first) and sat a mere 20 feet away from "Billy Cobham, The Greatest Drummer In The Known Universe" whilst he plied his awesome trade...
INTENSE just doesn't cover it.
Briefly met the Great Man afterwards, to get my CD signed.
Woke up this morning, smiling.
Kinda puts all the other microscopic nonsense into proper perspective, know what I mean, forumites?

INTENSE just doesn't cover it.
Briefly met the Great Man afterwards, to get my CD signed.
Woke up this morning, smiling.
Kinda puts all the other microscopic nonsense into proper perspective, know what I mean, forumites?



Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Mike Dudley
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Colin Lorenson
Monster drummer and musician. I am jealous. Probably the best in the Universe, known or unknown, except perhaps the 10 armed beat-bods from Galjifrax
Saw a drum clinic of his once - He wasa doing paradiddles and drumming in 13/7 time or something equally bonkers

Saw a drum clinic of his once - He wasa doing paradiddles and drumming in 13/7 time or something equally bonkers
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by scottyhammer
Mike,
Which cd did you get and is it any good or are there better ones out there as i dont own any and wondered if you could recommend one.
Regards, Scotty
Which cd did you get and is it any good or are there better ones out there as i dont own any and wondered if you could recommend one.
Regards, Scotty
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by nap-ster
Shouldn't this be in the Music Room?
I'll get my thermal padded jacket.................
I'll get my thermal padded jacket.................
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Mike Dudley
Hi scottyhammer.
The current tour is in support of the CD "Palindromes". I haven't heard it yet (I'm saving it until later this evening), but the tunes last night were heavily Latin-beats based, filtered into a really whip-sharp fusion-style numbers.
Like his old "Spectrum" and "Crosswinds" stuff, but with a sinuous latin influence.
"Spectrum" is the album that got the ball rolling back in the 1970's after he left the Mahavishnu Orchestra and remains a classic. Of his other work, I've got the "Art of..." series where Bill dives into free jazz arrangements with new tunes and versions of established classics such as giving a good extemporised workout on "Autumn Leaves" and a twist on Thelonious Monk's "Round Midnight".
My next purchase is going to be the predecessor to "Palindromes" - "Fruit of the Loom" which I noticed contains a version of "Florianopolis" which is by John MCLaughlin and which I have on my favourite live CD - "John McLaughlin Trio Live at the Royal Festival Hall" from 1989 - J McL with Trilok Gutru and Kai Eckhardt.
Enjoy!
The current tour is in support of the CD "Palindromes". I haven't heard it yet (I'm saving it until later this evening), but the tunes last night were heavily Latin-beats based, filtered into a really whip-sharp fusion-style numbers.
Like his old "Spectrum" and "Crosswinds" stuff, but with a sinuous latin influence.
"Spectrum" is the album that got the ball rolling back in the 1970's after he left the Mahavishnu Orchestra and remains a classic. Of his other work, I've got the "Art of..." series where Bill dives into free jazz arrangements with new tunes and versions of established classics such as giving a good extemporised workout on "Autumn Leaves" and a twist on Thelonious Monk's "Round Midnight".
My next purchase is going to be the predecessor to "Palindromes" - "Fruit of the Loom" which I noticed contains a version of "Florianopolis" which is by John MCLaughlin and which I have on my favourite live CD - "John McLaughlin Trio Live at the Royal Festival Hall" from 1989 - J McL with Trilok Gutru and Kai Eckhardt.
Enjoy!
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Mike Dudley
quote:Originally posted by nap-ster:
Shouldn't this be in the Music Room?
I'll get my thermal padded jacket.................
Yeah, I guess. I started it as a wink to the forum in regard to all the hunched bickering further down the list, should have known it would turn into a music thread, I suppose...
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by DenisA
quote:Originally posted by scottyhammer:
Mike,
Which cd did you get and is it any good or are there better ones out there as i dont own any and wondered if you could recommend one.
Regards, Scotty
Scotty,
I can lend you a variety of Billy next weekend if you want.
Denis
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Guido Fawkes
Mike - music is more interesting than bickering so Im glad the thread turn in to one about music - I sense you are too. I, shamefully, don't know the drummer of whom you post, but I've become curious to hear the greatest drummer in the known universe 

Posted on: 20 February 2010 by DenisA
quote:Originally posted by ROTF:
Mike - music is more interesting than bickering so Im glad the thread turn in to one about music - I sense you are too. I, shamefully, don't know the drummer of whom you post, but I've become curious to hear the greatest drummer in the known universe![]()
ROTF,
Do you remember this...
From a point at sea, to the circles of your mind, This is the new Radio Caroline
It's the opening bars to 'Stratus' from Spectrum by Billy Cobham in 1973.

Posted on: 20 February 2010 by WhatYouSeeandHear
quote:Originally posted by Mike Dudley:
Went "up west" last night to Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club (in itself, a first) and sat a mere 20 feet away from "Billy Cobham, The Greatest Drummer In The Known Universe" whilst he plied his awesome trade...
INTENSE just doesn't cover it.
Briefly met the Great Man afterwards, to get my CD signed.
Woke up this morning, smiling.
Kinda puts all the other microscopic nonsense into proper perspective, know what I mean, forumites?![]()
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Jammy
I was told yesterday in the pub that he was doing a few nights at Scotts so looked today.Looks as if all nights sold out ages ago.I looked on Youtube and see he has re-recorded some of his great early 70's numbers and the new albium looks very good.I see it is also available as a download.
Mahavishnu was the first band I ever saw live but by 1974 the "new" band was put together for the Apocalypse tour and Micheal Walden was the drummer .Very good too and front row ,but I would love to see Cobham,especially in a snug venue like Scott's.He is still built like a tank and has so much precise power and timing.A unique style.
Saw Jeff Beck in London last week and he is a great admirer of Cobham and often play's covers .I was supised as Walden was on drums and was introduced as "my new drummer" so maybe Vinnie Coliuata has moved on to new pastures..
As you said seeing great musicians live does put life into perspective.
Regards
Colin Macey
WYSAH Beaconsfield.
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Jet Johnson
Cobham is THE man as far as drummers are concerned in my opinion
...I've loved his work since buying Mahavishnu's Orchestra's "Birds Of Fire" in 1973 ....followed by his solo stuff such as "Shabazz" .."Total Eclipse" .."Crosswinds" and of course his simply stunning debut "Spectrum" (try and get a listen of the DVD-A version)
I saw him live with his young latin band Asere last year in Durham and he was quite happy to give them his unique propulsion without dominating them.
Take a peek of The Mahavishnu Orchestra's "One Word" live on Youtube ....Crikey!
...I've loved his work since buying Mahavishnu's Orchestra's "Birds Of Fire" in 1973 ....followed by his solo stuff such as "Shabazz" .."Total Eclipse" .."Crosswinds" and of course his simply stunning debut "Spectrum" (try and get a listen of the DVD-A version)
I saw him live with his young latin band Asere last year in Durham and he was quite happy to give them his unique propulsion without dominating them.
Take a peek of The Mahavishnu Orchestra's "One Word" live on Youtube ....Crikey!
Posted on: 20 February 2010 by Guido Fawkes
Don't really remember the clip, but Denis, it sounds pretty good as do the samples on Amazon from Spectrum: thank you - I'll definitely give it go. ATB Rotfquote:Originally posted by DenisA:quote:Originally posted by ROTF:
Mike - music is more interesting than bickering so Im glad the thread turn in to one about music - I sense you are too. I, shamefully, don't know the drummer of whom you post, but I've become curious to hear the greatest drummer in the known universe![]()
ROTF,
Do you remember this...
From a point at sea, to the circles of your mind, This is the new Radio Caroline
It's the opening bars to 'Stratus' from Spectrum by Billy Cobham in 1973.![]()
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by Mike Dudley
"Spectrum" is indeed a classic and the samples on that Amazon page certainly reveal the fresh and lively quality he bought to the (virtually self-invented) new "fusion" genre, or "Jazz-rock" as it was called back in the day.
It's interesting to compare his current style to the early stuff. He's lost none of the precision and groove, but now his playing has a huge amount of real "weight" and sheer power behind it. At Ronnie's I found it almost overwhelming and the "Palindromes" CD conveys the power and sheer basement foundation of his playing effectively. With the volume turned up, natch!
It's interesting to compare his current style to the early stuff. He's lost none of the precision and groove, but now his playing has a huge amount of real "weight" and sheer power behind it. At Ronnie's I found it almost overwhelming and the "Palindromes" CD conveys the power and sheer basement foundation of his playing effectively. With the volume turned up, natch!

Posted on: 21 February 2010 by scottyhammer
Denis,
Thats very kind of you sir
see you next week.
Dave
Thats very kind of you sir

Dave
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by Mick P
Chaps
I suggest you digest the second line of Richards paragraph written earlier this week.
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Posted on: 21 February 2010 by anderson.council
Funny how we have different routes to the same destination. As a teen in the early 80s Tommy Vance played a track on his Friday Rock Show by The James Gang called Standing in the Rain which is a pretty straightforward piece of 70s rock but with an outstanding guitar outro who Tommy V explained was Tommy Bolin. I got a bit hooked on this track and investigated some more.
Of course it was more difficult in those days without the internet and being in a remote (as far as US rock goes) town in Scotland. However Kerrang magazine came to my rescue with an article on Tommy Bolin cataloguing his work with his early bands including the The James Gang, a 1 album and tour stint for Deep Purple and his 2 solo albums. Also mentioned was the fact that he played on an album that supposedly influenced Jeff Beck to move into the jazz-rock fusion that would become Blow by Blow which I had heard of.
This was of course Spectrum by Billy Cobham and as soon as I could locate a copy of it I grabbed it and was introduced not only to some amazing guitar playing but also to a phenomenally powerful drummer. When I got a DVD-Audio player 20 or so years later I discovered I could get Spectrum in this format and that's how I still listen to it now. Would have been great to see him in a small venue.
When I visited my Mum over Christmas I brought all of my LPs away with me - the first time they have left the house since being purchased in the late 70s to mid 80s. Included in that lot is Spectrum in mint condition. Just need to get a turntable (& everything else required to connect it to my system) now
Cheers
Scott
Of course it was more difficult in those days without the internet and being in a remote (as far as US rock goes) town in Scotland. However Kerrang magazine came to my rescue with an article on Tommy Bolin cataloguing his work with his early bands including the The James Gang, a 1 album and tour stint for Deep Purple and his 2 solo albums. Also mentioned was the fact that he played on an album that supposedly influenced Jeff Beck to move into the jazz-rock fusion that would become Blow by Blow which I had heard of.
This was of course Spectrum by Billy Cobham and as soon as I could locate a copy of it I grabbed it and was introduced not only to some amazing guitar playing but also to a phenomenally powerful drummer. When I got a DVD-Audio player 20 or so years later I discovered I could get Spectrum in this format and that's how I still listen to it now. Would have been great to see him in a small venue.
When I visited my Mum over Christmas I brought all of my LPs away with me - the first time they have left the house since being purchased in the late 70s to mid 80s. Included in that lot is Spectrum in mint condition. Just need to get a turntable (& everything else required to connect it to my system) now

Cheers
Scott
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by anderson.council
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Posted on: 21 February 2010 by Mike Dudley
It was my first time (belatedly) at Ronnie's. Observations:
The 250-seat size of the room with a low ceiling height made it feel very intimate. The only way to get closer to the band would have been to walk onto the stage.
I didn't have the food, but the cocktail list was interesting - I had a "Horse Thief" at £8. Pricey, but I let myself be tempted. There's proper single malt available, too.
They let you run a tab, but take your card. I don't know if this is standard, I was a bit uncomfortable with this but it worked out allright.
It was the first time I've been guided to my seat by an attractive female cocktail waitress. How decadent!
The sound system was very good - loud but clear, unlike the amateur-hour noise you get at most "rock" concerts. What a dream job for the house technician!
Walls covered with framed photos of all the famous acts that have played there over the years lent a real "heritage" feel to the place.
Verdict: I'll definitely go again.
The 250-seat size of the room with a low ceiling height made it feel very intimate. The only way to get closer to the band would have been to walk onto the stage.
I didn't have the food, but the cocktail list was interesting - I had a "Horse Thief" at £8. Pricey, but I let myself be tempted. There's proper single malt available, too.
They let you run a tab, but take your card. I don't know if this is standard, I was a bit uncomfortable with this but it worked out allright.
It was the first time I've been guided to my seat by an attractive female cocktail waitress. How decadent!
The sound system was very good - loud but clear, unlike the amateur-hour noise you get at most "rock" concerts. What a dream job for the house technician!
Walls covered with framed photos of all the famous acts that have played there over the years lent a real "heritage" feel to the place.
Verdict: I'll definitely go again.

Posted on: 21 February 2010 by scottyhammer
Sounds like a good night out Mike - I may even go myself soon. 

Posted on: 21 February 2010 by WhatYouSeeandHear
Hi
Ronnie Scott's was closed for refurbishment 3 years ago as it was hot,smoky grubby and ragged round the edges.When he was alive Ronnie used to tell the same jokes every night and the food, "10,000 flies can't be wrong" was one of his targets..I had been a few times before and went to see Monty Alexaner on re-opening night.
The great thing was that it looked and sounded exactly the same but with better food and unobrtusive air conditioning.Good call.Everyone should go at least once as it's special.
Regards.
Ronnie Scott's was closed for refurbishment 3 years ago as it was hot,smoky grubby and ragged round the edges.When he was alive Ronnie used to tell the same jokes every night and the food, "10,000 flies can't be wrong" was one of his targets..I had been a few times before and went to see Monty Alexaner on re-opening night.
The great thing was that it looked and sounded exactly the same but with better food and unobrtusive air conditioning.Good call.Everyone should go at least once as it's special.
Regards.
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by winkyincanada
Ronnie Scott's is a bit far fron Vancouver for regular visits. Forum-lurking Vancouverites, what venues do we have that provide a similar feel that you would recommend? My lovely partner and I know we should get out to more live music.
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by Lontano
quote:Originally posted by WhatYouSeeandHear:
Hi
Ronnie Scott's was closed for refurbishment 3 years ago as it was hot,smoky grubby and ragged round the edges.When he was alive Ronnie used to tell the same jokes every night and the food, "10,000 flies can't be wrong" was one of his targets..I had been a few times before and went to see Monty Alexaner on re-opening night.
The great thing was that it looked and sounded exactly the same but with better food and unobrtusive air conditioning.Good call.Everyone should go at least once as it's special.
Regards.
Do all the diners still chat through the performances or are they respectful to other diners who go to listen to the music?
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by WhatYouSeeandHear
Do all the diners still chat through the performances or are they respectful to other diners who go to listen to the music?[/QUOTE]
Hi
I have always sat in front area and have never had a problem with noise from diners or drink and food orders being taken by the waitresses.I noticed that a leg stretch and a trip to the bar at the back is different and people seem to talk more freely but the music level is such that it was still not a problem.The better the artist the less noise people seem to make.Maybe not for everyone though.
Hi
I have always sat in front area and have never had a problem with noise from diners or drink and food orders being taken by the waitresses.I noticed that a leg stretch and a trip to the bar at the back is different and people seem to talk more freely but the music level is such that it was still not a problem.The better the artist the less noise people seem to make.Maybe not for everyone though.
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by Mike Dudley
It seemed to me that by the time the support band had started, everybody had finished eating. When Bill was annuounced, the sound guy asked for mobiles to be switched off, for there to be no photography and for table conversation to be at an "absolute minimum"...
Posted on: 21 February 2010 by shoot6x7
quote:Originally posted by WhatYouSeeandHear:
Hi
I had been a few times before and went to see Monty Alexaner on re-opening night.
Sweet !
(I know you meant Monty Alexander)