Brave Florida Cops Handcuffing Naughty 5 Year Old Black Kindergarten Girl

Posted by: Berlin Fritz on 23 April 2005

Yes, America has hit a new low, and it's all on video, there'll be lawyers, cops, psychologists, etc, etc, good teachers as opposed to inadequate one's comments that one of the officers was herself black (so that's allright then) time will tell, watch this space.

Fritz Von Disgusted, thank God for video filum, innit. Eek

N.B Yes I know it's spelt handcuffs, and I'll be interested to hear Seno'r Parry's expert opine on this one, if he's not too busy oiling his garden furniture ? Big Grin
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Ohhhhhhhhh!
When it's time to show the world how brave they are there's nothing can stop them...............

Please, send me the url of the clip.
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Berlin Fritz
quote:
Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
Ohhhhhhhhh!
When it's time to show the world how brave they are there's nothing can stop them...............

Please, send me the url of the clip.


I just saw it on SKY TV Luigi, check that out with goggle matey.

Oh Go on then http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13334779,00.html another one for the Dirty Digger Murdoch, innit !! Smile
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Maybe one of those children treaten with those psychopharmaceutical s**t to make them numb and that make them go out of their brain.

Anyway.....it seems they don't have any other way to calm people than break their bones!
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Berlin Fritz
quote:
Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Yes, America has hit a new low, and it's all on video, there'll be lawyers, cops, psychologists, etc, etc, good teachers as opposed to inadequate one's comments that one of the officers was herself black (so that's allright then) time will tell, watch this space.

Fritz Von Disgusted, thank God for video filum, innit. Eek

N.B Yes I know it's spelt handcuffs, and I'll be interested to hear Seno'r Parry's expert opine on this one, if he's not too busy oiling his garden furniture ? Big Grin
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by 7V
This is an amazing example of stupidity and incompetence, although there's no suggestion of racism on this occasion.

The police seem to have acted with insensitivity, stupidity and incompetence. No surprise there.

It's astonishing that the school teachers were unable to deal with a single five year old child throwing a tantrum. I suspect that the problem is that they are not allowed to touch the child by laws which do not differentiate between harmless and even friendly physical restraint on the one hand and violence and abuse on the other.

I also have little doubt that incompetent parenting has played a large part in the behaviour patterns of this child. No child acts this way without inadequate parenting.

Like most parents of young children in the UK, I watch the excellent Supernanny televison programme. Each week we are shown examples of unruly behaviour by children and each week that behaviour changes dramatically and rapidly (almost instantly) as Supernanny teaches the parents how to bring up their children.

Finally, it's almost certain that the child's diet and lifestyle also contribute to her behaviour.

As incompetence in parenting, teaching and the police combine with dreadful diet, harmful lifestyle and dumb laws in an increasingly litigious society, I expect there's much more of this sort of thing to come.

Regards
Steve M
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Berlin Fritz
Sorry 7 Up old Chap, but as a 'non parent' for what it's worth your comments are so far off of the mark they almost hurt. Just about every child (irrespective of their parenting and background) throws a wobbly now and again (especially in this age group) and I'll be interested to hear from any parents on here (Who recently so loudly shouted their love & protection of their children from the rooftops (quite unstandably so too) to comment themselves, innit ).

Fritz Von They're all wonderfull when they've other homes to go to Big Grin Big Grin Winker
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by 7V
Well of course every child throws a wobbly now and again. Also, it's the job of every child to push the boundaries so that he learns how far he can go.

However, in this case it seems the child has gone beyond wobbly.
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Mick P
Steve

You said

" I suspect that the problem is that they are not allowed to touch the child by laws which do not differentiate between harmless and even friendly physical restraint on the one hand and violence and abuse on the other."

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

We had a case last week in Swindon where a bus driver was sentenced to 80 hours community service for throwing a 12 year old boy off a bus who was scaring other passengers. He grabbed the boy by the shoulder and pulled him off the bus using force because the boy refused to behave or leave.

The boys parents had received several written warnings from the school and the bus company about his unruly behaviour.

The Driver now has a criminal record.

The driver had to make a snap decision and chose to eject him.

Now the other bus drivers may refuse to pick up school children because the message has been sent out that children can get away with bad behaviour. Who wants to risk getting a criminal when dealing with yobs.


Regards

Mick
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Berlin Fritz
No suprises there then Our Mick with a totally irrellevant comparison, and 7up me old China, I personally don't think she overstepped the mark at all at all, if the camera's haden't been there this thread wouldn't exist, innit.


Fritz Von Mr P. go back to yer garden Son and play with yer gnomes Big Grin
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Mick P
Fritz

Your comments are never relevant, so you go play with your gnomes.
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Berlin Fritz
I bet you say that to all the girls you old charmer you !

Fritz Von So as well as the cops being above the law ? you'd be perfectly happy for your own 5 year old to be cuffed (if needed) as that's your opinion and wish (though not the law of the land) even though it will be proven to be quite illegal, and if accepted by 'society' taken as the norm in future by over zealous 'non parent' rozzers ? Rodney King comes to mind too, innit. Cool
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
... if the camera's haden't been there this thread wouldn't exist, innit.

I haven't seen the video, I was basing my comments on the Sky News article that you linked to.

Of course if she didn't overstep the mark then it would be down to incompetent and over-reacting teachers and police.

And, on a separate issue Winker ...

Mick's quite right about the bus driver incident. Bring back Dixon of Dock Green and the 'clip round the ear'.

When I teach Ki Aikido to kiddies (7-10 years) I tell them: "Your teachers aren't allowed to hit you but I am because I'm an aikido teacher." Funnily enough, coming from me, it always makes the children smile. I never have hit them of course - there are more effective forms of restraint in aikido.

I believe that teachers aren't even allowed to use touch these days. It would be a funny aikido class without it.

Regard
Steve M
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Berlin Fritz
quote:
Originally posted by 7V:
quote:
Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
... if the camera's haden't been there this thread wouldn't exist, innit.

I haven't seen the video, I was basing my comments on the Sky News article that you linked to.

Of course if she didn't overstep the mark then it would be down to incompetent and over-reacting teachers and police.

And, on a separate issue Winker ...

Mick's quite right about the bus driver incident. Bring back Dixon of Dock Green and the 'clip round the ear'.

When I teach Ki Aikido to kiddies (7-10 years) I tell them: "Your teachers aren't allowed to hit you but I am because I'm an aikido teacher." Funnily enough, coming from me, it always makes the children smile. I never have hit them of course - there are more effective forms of restraint in aikido.

I believe that teachers aren't even allowed to use touch these days. It would be a funny aikido class without it.

Regard
Steve M


All very fine and good but you're totally, though I'm sure uinconsciously driting far away from the point here my old sausage.

FRitz Von Time for brekkies methinks ta ta Winker
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by andy c
a 5 yr old being hancuffed - overreaction by the police innit.

suppose this thread will end now eh? not.

andy c!
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by andy c:
a 5 yr old being hancuffed - overreaction by the police innit.

Of course but why were the police called in the first place?

I must buy myself some garden gnomes to play with.
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by BigH47
Just as well she wasn't armed. A sharp pencil, hair clip or something similar. There would have been a blood bath.

Howard

Gnome Sweet Gnome.

(really expensive MP reccomended ones, Doulton or Minton or somesuch.) Big Grin
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Nime
Did nobody read the article? The little horror was punching anyone who tried to calm her.
Where were the truncheons and electric cattle prods when they were most needed?

Nime
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Shame they did not call a sniper squad.....
Eek
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by BigH47
quote:
The little horror was punching anyone who tried to calm her.
Where were the truncheons and electric cattle prods when they were most needed?


She is friggin' 5 yrs old FFS.

Howard
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by John Sheridan
quote:
Originally posted by BigH47:
quote:
The little horror was punching anyone who tried to calm her.
Where were the truncheons and electric cattle prods when they were most needed?


She is friggin' 5 yrs old FFS.

Howard

I wonder who's had a sarcasm bypass?

Personally I think they should have tazered her like the last US brad that made the news (that's more sarcasm in case you missed it Howard)
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by BigH47
Smilies help.

Howard Big Grin
Posted on: 23 April 2005 by thirty three and a third
quote:
Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
Maybe one of those children treaten with those psychopharmaceutical s**t to make them numb and that make them go out of their brain.


You could be right about that.

"Yes, America has hit a new low..."

Please don't lump us all in with Florida. It's amazing they didn't smack the c**p out of her with a bible.

john
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Mekon
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
We had a case last week in Swindon where a bus driver was sentenced to 80 hours community service for throwing a 12 year old boy off a bus who was scaring other passengers. He grabbed the boy by the shoulder and pulled him off the bus using force because the boy refused to behave or leave.


The BBC report says the driver grabbed him by the throat, and pushed him off the bus so as he landed on his back.

The kid sounds like a right pain, no doubt, but I am surprised you would consider a 56 year old man grabbing a 13 year old boy by the throat as unproblematic.
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Mick P
Mekon

Whether the little brat was grabbed by the shoulder or the throat is irrelevant, he had to be ejected by a driver who was forced into a position of having to make a snap decision.

Because of that little brat, a decent man of previous unblemished record has to do community service.

Steve made the point that you dare not touch children now a days and that is why the Police have to be called out, even to deal with a 5 year old.

Can you really blame the bus drivers for wanting to boycot school buses.

Regards

Mick
Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Lomo
Perhaps you are right Mick but... When we were kids this did happen and I remember our school bus driver who we respected very much was known to eject children in their early teens from his bus . Of course they then hitchhiked home but we had few killers and other unsavouy characters on the loose in those days.
Also even the most menial buses today seem to have a communication system, meaning....
Getting back to the thread, the 5 year old was having an extreme temper tantrum. When this happens parents are apt after extreme provocation to give the offender an almighty wallop. The problem in doing this if you are not a parent is immense. Noone can condone hand cuffing but reading between the lines this was probably felt to be the least of all evils.