Brave Florida Cops Handcuffing Naughty 5 Year Old Black Kindergarten Girl

Just to reitterate, if the film hadn't been running this thread wouldn't exist, because as a mere local newspaper story it wouldn't have made the border even. Nobody has mentioned once any concern for the child, or her welfare once, and I wonder how often these practices really go on (It's not the same as terryfying older kids with a visit to the local jail to be talked to by inmates etc). AS I've said before this Borough alone where I now live has more qualified Child Psychologists in it, innit, than the whole of England, and I'm looking forward to hearing some of their opinions in the next few days or so on this matter.


Fritz Von Problem children shouldn't exist

Fritz

You are looking at this completely wrong. The pinko PC brigade have made it impossible for anyone to control anyone elses children. Teachers face the sack for touching children.

Therefore they have to take advice and call in the police who also have to play everything down.

Yes it is pure madness to handcuff a 5 yr old but this is what 10 yrs of pinko type rule has brought about.

The golden rule today, is if you have a problem of this sort with any unruley elements is to call the police.

Common sense dies when the PC pinko liberals get to making the rules.

Regards

Mick

Utter Balderdash³

Hey Fritz,
some of what Mick says on this occasion is not far off the mark - anyone these days is quik to level complaints of assault, and its only after they have been investigated do some of these get dealt with accordingly...

andy c!

andy c von touch no-one unless you really really really need to, and then don't anyway!

From 1997 teachers have been permitted to use reasonable force to remove or restrain unruly children.

The problem does not lie with the rules themselves but with the scope of litigation.

We can blame the Yanks for that culture...

Fritz

Get in touch with the real world. If a teacher even touches an unruley kid, he is risking suspension at least.

The police are now deemed the correct channels to use when some some of force is used and even they have to be careful.

If you do not believe me, talk to any teacher or copper.

Regards

Mick

Mick

quote:

Common sense dies when the PC pinko liberals get to making the rules.

You have got sense of humour after all.

Howard

My brother was literally pushed off a moving bus by the conductor on the way home from school. The usual thing: He was upstairs and his schoolmates impeded him from getting off at the village stop in good time. My brother's arm was broken and was in plaster for months. But, in those days one didn't complain. This was the late 1950's. How times change!

Handcuffs Howard? What's wrong with, assault rifles, flame throwers and bazookas in a crisis?
Not much use in Midwich though.

Nime

As I've said before my own mother worked in a care home for little baby girls to 18 year olds for 40 years in London before well earned retirement, and I think she and thousands of other woman both sides of the Atlantic would find most 'so-called' arguments' on this subject absolutely pathetic, and if anybody on here who are themselves parents are really being sincere, I truly fell sorry for you, innit.

Fritz Von I have no idea what my mother would say amongst others, and I would never embarress myself to ask them, in my life it's called instinct, and you 'guy's' are obviousöy adreft of it, or are for some inane reason just taking the piss (out of yourselves) innit

As I said, from 1997 teachers have been permitted to use reasonable force to either remove or restrain unruly children - especially where the health and safety of other children may be at risk.

So, you catch a big kid knocking the proverbial out of a smaller one. As a teacher you'd have a duty of care to intervene physically on behalf of the smaller child - else his parents could actually sue you for negligence.

Where a child simply goes into a frenzied state in a classroom and starts, say, lashing out at anyone and everyone, the correct course of action would be to summon quickly the assistance of another member of staff (by sending another child out to fetch them) before each of you takes the unruly child by each arm and frog-marches them out of harm's way.

Summoning assistance from another teacher also makes it more difficult for children to make false accusations of assault/use of unreasonable force. The presence of a second teacher is not simply to bolster your position of weakness but to act as a witness to both the misbehaviour of the child and the action you chose to take.

The use of force is only a last resort though and is rarely necessary in all but the most challenging (PC word meaning roughest) of schools.

Often where a child refuses to follow an instruction to leave a classroom, a senior teacher may come along and invite the rest of the class to leave instead. This works just fine only if you have a spare classroom to take them to...

As a final point bon my part, I'm wondering why this video has now been shown when the incident apparently took place on March 14, as well as two other young kids being tasered by the same force on that day, one for holding a piece of glass warning that he'd injure himself (great way to subdue an already screwed up BABY). The good news is for Our Mick is as follows.

All US (less) Cops are trained to cuff anybody they charge, and must be cuffed before being put into the squad car. In UK it is now legal (LAW LAW LAW) for Mickey Mouse security gaurds, bouncers, and God only knows who else ? to handcuff people, so we're obviously gonna see a lot more Percy Sugden hero's in the future.

Fritz Von These people are trained to pass a test which they take repeatedly until it's passed, what's next, pepper spray, tasers, batons ? How about 20,000 Real Beat Coppers for a start.

Being cuffed is not a nice experience, especially when you are totally innocent of any wrong doing, it's a power game in essence, some folk liked to be cuffed to the bed by their partners (then they go out on the town leaving you there ). When we look at the Iraq Jail missuses (they were all by ill trained part timers with small IQ's and big ego's ) The Recent Brit trial was drppoed as they were TA folk, not full timers, as with so manmy other 'would be' teachers, Coppers, soldiers, etc, etc, give these folk a stripe on their arm, and some cuffs plus a utility belt bigger than batmans (which many now carry) and they think they're God.

Fritz,
the use of speedcuffs in the UK comes under the Crimminal law Act re use of force.

You just can't put cuffs on anyone here without justification. It needs to be proportionate, legal, and necessary. It comes under the ambit of police use of force and officers have to submit a report each time they do so ( other than compliant handcuffing re transporting a prisoner around a station for example..). Hence the high profile prosecutions of officers in this area who don't comply with this procedure.

The reasons for application of cuffs are obvious, but if you need me to explain further by all means ask...

andy c!

It would seem to me that inappropriate action was taken right from the outset. No way should the police be involved unless it is to protect the other children and staff, and in that instance, they should have only removed anyone else in the area to a safe haven. Then the child should have been approached by a care worker to find out what was wrong and how far the problem goes back. Any behavior like this must have deep roots and the welfare of the child must surely be at risk? The poor child must have a pretty rotten life and should be helped - I can't believe some of the comments here! Well...maybe I've been here long enough to know that isn't true.

However we may start seeing similar stories in the uk if the following in The Times is to be believed

Yob Culture starts in the classroom

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
However we may start seeing similar stories in the uk if the following in The Times is to be believed

Yob Culture starts in the classroom

Anuvver nice ad for digger !

Fritz Von St Trinians

That article is nonesense.
Children may first be introduced to that sort of behavior in the classroom, but they should already be equipped to understand whether it's OK to act like that themselves, and if they don't, then they have been failed long before that time. Children need to be nurtured and brought up, not left to bring themselves up.

Sadly there are too many parents who do not make an effort to bring their children up in a proper responsible manner. I believe this is the route cause of many problems.

So kids in care wether they be parentless orphans or wards of court whatever through absolutely no fault of their own (of which there are very many) may be cuffed by police to restrain them, when they can't be controlled by adults in their charge, irrespective of their age ?

Fritz Von Buck passing is very easy

Gov Jeb Bush doesn't stand for any nonesense in Florida; like kids with problems, the poor, democracy, etc. Anyone steps out of line, they get dealt with. I'm looking forward to Michael "it isn't my fault, it was him" Howard getting into power here so we can have a similar hard line and get rid of the nastiness.
Have you noticed how Charles Kennedy's head is wider than his shoulders? He hasn't been the same since he did Dallas.

As I said previously it is NOW TODAY YES TODAY Legal in UK for mickey mouse guards and bouncers to cuff people, irrespective of the speedcuff regs used by police, who in reality have to act on insinct and every situ is different, innit.

Fritz Von The kid's definately ain't allright

When I think of the fatalities (well publicised & reported when one cares to look) that have occurred in the last few years in UK, in either police cells where the prisoner (cuffed) dies as a result of his being piled upon by a load of bodies to subdue him (yes we know there are rules & guidlines), and the many incidents of death by subduing of 'Juvaniles" in custody (Private firms like Group 4 now being irresponsible responsible), i just wonder how mnay more such incindents must occur. Although I don't compare these situ's I'll be suprised if the over-reaction by armed British police officers recently (fully on film) who shot dead a sword toting geezer on a highway early one moaning will be totally forgotten after they're pardoned by a Judge for 'Whatever he dicídes to make up at the time as his interpretation of Mick's precious Law'

Fritz Von Not being cynical being for real

A respectable mid thirties mother was recently visited at her home in Chelmsford Essex by police, arrested, and handcuffed and marched to a waiting vehicle in front of her kids and neighbours (quite nice area this by the way). The attempted subsequent charges of this Asian lady were based on a M & S video camera footage (two weeks earlier). Staff said it was her, although she had a watertight alibi, plus after closer inspection she looked nothing at all like the person on film, other than them both being Asian. She was released without charge, no apologies from Police or the (well renouned) store (she had a totally clean record etc too).
This shit happen's regularly, and the police get dragged into it, as of now, store dicks will be able to cuff who they like (Speed or slow) I see avery interesting series of events coming from this, and it wont be Brand Friendly either.

Fritz Von Disgusted as always

Fritz

Get a job as a Doorman. You could play handcuff games.

Regards

Mick

Fritz and handcuffs?
What a terrifying thought!
"Weapons of mass destruction" come to mind.
He has so many potential "victims" lined up.
Where would he start?

Nime

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Originally posted by Nime:
Fritz and handcuffs?
What a terrifying thought!
"Weapons of mass destruction" come to mind.
He has so many potential "victims" lined up.
Where would he start?

Nime

Do you mean the ever elusive WMD, or the one's that Our Tony will prove exist just as Ascencion day arrives, otherwise known as May 5th ?

Fritz Von Book em Danno