Bike Expertise Requested

Posted by: Dougunn on 22 July 2006

Dear All

I know many here are dedicated bike users (push not motor) and I would like to ask for your expertise.

Previously I have used a Marin Sausalito and then a Trek 750 - both what were then (at least 5 years back) referred to as Hybrids.

I am now eager to return to cycling (communting to work and for pleasure but not into off road, mountain biking at all). I've looked at what is available and think what I'm after is a what's now referred to as a city bike or road bike i.e light racing frame, flat bars, higher ratio gears, slick tyres etc. Models that look interesting include Marin Lucas Valley, Trek SU600, Cannondale Synapse Flatbar. I am fit and like to ride hard and fast (traffic permitting) and want a bike thats designed for this but is also tough and reliable.

I'd really appreciate any tips anyone can offer (budget up to £1000 max).

Also any suggestions as to good bike shops, places to buy (online?) also appreciated

Many thanks in advance

Doug
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by and
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/

Excellent online resource!
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by Berlin Fritz
?
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by Mike1380
I've got a bike
You can ride it if you like
It's got a basket
A bell that rings
And things to make it look good
I'd give it to you if I could
But I borrowed it.....

IGMC!!!!
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by Dougunn
And

Many thanks, how have I gone so long without knowing about Wiggle!

Doug
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by Milo Tweenie
Chain Reaction Cycles is the other top website:

CRC
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by sonofcolin
Have a look at some cyclocross bikes, ideal for all-around use including trail riding, cyclocross racing, commuting and touring. They are strong and reasonably light, yet have a more laid out riding position than hybrids, so theoretically should be faster. Very flexible bikes as they can take slick or treaded tires depending on your needs. Some come with pannier eyelets too.

Some bikes which may fit the bill are Cannondale Cyclocross ($1,200), Bianchi Axis ($1,200 - my favourite), Specialized Tricross comp ($1,699).

Happy riding!
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by Chalshus
In Europe, Cannondale prices are much higher than in the USA.

Cyclocross-bikes are a great alternative for commuters.


Ill write more tomorrow. Almost a bottle of Italian red-wine do something for my writing, in a negative way. Big Grin
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by sonofcolin
quote:
In Europe, Cannondale prices are much higher than in the USA.

I know (I am just a 'guest' in the US), but you should still be able to get a Cannondale cyclocross bike for under a grand in the UK.

Cannondale road bikes don't suit me. I find them quite a 'harsh' ride (the ones I tried) if that makes any sense, but of course lots of people do like them. I bought my wife a Cannondale 'Bad Boy' for about $700 (not a road bike). Now this is a fun bike and she loves it.

By the way, Bianchi bikes aren't so cheap in the US, so maybe this is the way to go in Europe Smile I think components are cheaper in the US, so replacing the drive chain and wheels can transform a good bike into a great one. This is of course another option to think about when looking for a bike. Buy a frame set and add the components you need. Having a good releationship with a local bike shop will go a long way to getting you the ride that your after.
Posted on: 22 July 2006 by o.j.
Hy dougunn!
the most important thing is to have a bike in the right frame size,and that your riding position is correct adapted to your body.
Brands and quality?
personally i own a cube racebike out of alu,
with campa centaure.an absolute good bike
hwich costed nearby 1000 dollar(at seasons- end winter sale).
my second bike is a pinarello carbon.
very beautiful and expensive.(and for sure also an prestige-highlight.)
Quality?
pinarello is alittle bit better,
BUT:imo the cube is for 99,9% of riders
(including myself)far ,far ,far, far enough.

i think also that it will nearby be impossible to find abike in the thousend dollar class of today with bad quality.
they are all excellent,and your taste (and maybe
the marketing of the manufacterer Winker)will
influence your choice.
O.J.
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Bruce Woodhouse
Wiggle are indeed fantastic but I'd not buy a complete bike from them unless I absolutely knew what I wanted.

The best advice is to find a good local bike shop, as recommended by keen cyclists local to you. Try asking on a bike forum like cyclingplus if you are not sure where to go.

Lots of choice at that price, not just of brand but also materials and spec. You need to make sure it fits and the stem/saddle pedals etc are just right. Get a test ride, try a few back-to-back etc.

The brands you quote are good solid mainstream ones. I'd add Specialized to the list-they are almost always decent value and good kit. I've had poor experiences with C'Dale (both the kit and the after sales service). My LBS gave up on the brand too in the end.

Bruce
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Dougunn
Thanks all.

I'm planning to take my time on this and will definitely make sure fit and sizing are bang on.

My interest is now focussing on a Specialized Sirrus Pro (£1000) or the Bianchi Camaleonte 4 Veloce Triple (£900). Am off today to Evans in Holborn and London Bridge for a squizz.

Any other observations/tips greatly appreciated.

Doug
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Diode100
The only bike a Naim owner should consider is a Moulton. If your flush go for the Bradford on Avon built models, if not, the license built Pashley TSR is excellent.
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by and
Evan's don't enjoy the best reputation. Ok if you can tune/set up your own machine.
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Chalshus
Cyclocross bikes are great for commuting - all year round. They rolls good and are a little more solid than pure racers.

Another alternative is a hybrid. A mix between a racer and a mtb. Big gears/wheels and flat bar. Check out Jamis Coda:



It has a steelframe, which makes the ride a little more comfortable than aluminium.
Prices in Europa is about the same as in teh US. Smile

CRC has a put together a Cyclocross bike for £720. Seems to me like fine ride. Shimano 105-group, Kinesis frame and other good "value for money"-parts.

Link
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Beano
quote:
Originally posted by Diode100:
The only bike a Naim owner should consider is a Moulton. If your flush go for the Bradford on Avon built models, if not, the license built Pashley TSR is excellent.


Moulton is very street entertainer, and Pashley is straight out of the Hovis advert, or if painted red with a basket on the front, a Royal Mail Postman!

Beano
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Diode100
quote:
Originally posted by Beano:
quote:
Originally posted by Diode100:
The only bike a Naim owner should consider is a Moulton. If your flush go for the Bradford on Avon built models, if not, the license built Pashley TSR is excellent.


Moulton is very street entertainer, and Pashley is straight out of the Hovis advert, or if painted red with a basket on the front, a Royal Mail Postman!

Beano


Exactly, and they have unique wheel sizes ! Just the sort of thing that should appeal to someone who buys an expensive amplifier and then pays the same again, or even more (chrome bumper), for the power supply to go with it, not to mention pucks.
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Dougunn
quote:
The only bike a Naim owner should consider is a Moulton. If your flush go for the Bradford on Avon built models, if not, the license built Pashley TSR is excellent.


Hmmm, I'm not quite ready for a pipe and slippers yet!

This is the lead contender so far:


Doug
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Dougunn
Or maybe this . . .
Posted on: 23 July 2006 by Bruce Woodhouse
Re the Spesh.

I'm not sure about the need for disc brakes on a bike such as this. Much as I like them on my MTB it adds weight without being such an advantage on-road. A 1k bike needs to be right.

Evans is a big chain, rather like buying HiFi from Richer Sounds rather than your local specialist. I'd still be looking for a better shop than that.

Have you managed a ride on either bike? Try before you buy is a must.

Bruce
Posted on: 24 July 2006 by Dougunn
Bruce

I have been uming and ahing over the disc brakes. They seem like a great idea but as you say are perhaps overkill on a road bike.

Evans, although helpful, were pretty hopeless. They only had the Bianchi in the showroom but not in my size. They had nothing else in any of their stores from my shortlist and told me that they couldn't get them as they were waiting for the 2007 models in October. Confused

It seems they are not planning to sell this kind of bike between now and Oct then!!!

My local bike shop (with a good reputation) does have a Marin Mill Valley in my size in stock - but something makes me feel lukewarm about Marin's. Another nearby shop has a Specialised Sirrus Pro in my size and I going for a ride this week. In my ignorance I thought I would be able to find a shop that had them all and try then one after the other before buying . . . ho hum.

Will report back on the Specialized ride . . .

Doug
Posted on: 24 July 2006 by sonofcolin
I agree with Bruce. Disc brakes on a hybrid are not necessary.

If you plan on doing any distance on a hybrid you may find the riding position uncomfortable after about 30KM. Tingling fingers and numb hands if you are riding on road and not having to change position often.

I have a KTM hybrid and Bianchi cyclocross bike. The KTM is great for riding around the city or short distance rides, but I rarely ride it now as the Bianchi does all that and more.

From your initial post I would recommend that you look at hybrids as well as road/cyclocross bikes. Definitely ride them (and not just around the car park) and find a good local bike shop who you feel will give you good after sales support (free servicing for life isn't uncommon here). Also, a good bike shop will put you on a wind/resistance trainer to find a good fit for you, important for a road bike.
Posted on: 24 July 2006 by prc
you might also want to try:
http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/index.html

Pretty much agree with all that's been said so far. Look at GIANT as well. The make pretty good bikes and are almost always good in the price vs. performance category.

Paulo
Posted on: 24 July 2006 by PatG
Sound like you should consider

Roberts Cycles in Croyden

http://www.robertscycles.com/

These bikes are made to order (4-5 weeks) and you can generally have what you want including a custom paint job.

You need to visit the shop/small factory (1km from East Croyden Station) and they measure you up. All very comprehensive

I bought one a few months ago from them. (Basic Audax gents cycle)

Got change from £1,500

Highly receommended

Regards P
Posted on: 24 July 2006 by Bruce Woodhouse
Doug

Evans are a bike shop like Richer Sounds are a HiFi retailer.

Bruce
Posted on: 24 July 2006 by Gary S.
Doug

Have you considred cyclescheme?

If you're employed (as opposed to self employed) it is well worth considering.

One of my employees came to us a few months ago to ask if we would consider doing a bike for him. I was sceptical at first, but it really is no hassle and he was able to get himself a £1,000 bike for about £500 and he pays for it in 10 monthly instalments.

He was even able to buy a specialist purpose made mountain bike, not just an off the shelf model.

Regards

Gary