Brain Teaser No 3

Posted by: Don Atkinson on 11 March 2007

I know I started Brain Teaser No 1 about 5 years ago. ISTR another with No 2 in the title, so hopefully this is not duplicating somebody elses Brain Teaser No 3.....

Flight Around the World

A group of aeroplanes is based on a small island. Each plane holds just enough fuel to take it half way around the world. Any amount of fuel can be transfered from the tank of one aeroplane to another aeroplane whilst the planes are in flight. The ONLY source of fuel available to these aeroplanes is on this small island. Assume that there is no time lost when refueling, either in the air or on the ground.

What is the smallest number of aeroplanes required to ensure the flight of one aeroplane around the world on a great circle, assuming that all areoplanes have the same constant groundspeed and rate of fuel consumption and that all aeroplanes return safely to their island base.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Don Atkinson
Close - and certainly within +/- 5 mins

Cheers

Don

PS but not close enough
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Don Atkinson
Although the route to the answer is sort of elegant, I can't see anything elegant about the answer itself - nothing!

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Ian G.
Ah - 89mins 42sec ?
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Ian G.
quote:
Originally posted by Ian G.:
Ah - 89mins 42sec ?


no no silly boy, skelp, - 92mins 42secs

If v1 and v2 are the speeds of the two walkers and vt the speed of the train in m/s, then the length of the train is (vt-v1)*20 and (vt+v2)*18 from the two passings. Equating gives vt = 10*v1 +9*v2.

It is 618 seconds between the COMPLETION of the two passings during which time the first walker has covered v1*618 metres.

So the distance between the walkers at the instant the second passing is complete is
D = vt*618 - v1*618
= (10*v1 + 9*v2)*618 - v1*618
= 9 * (v1+v2)*618
= 5562 * (v1+v2)

Since their closing speed is also v1+v2 it will take them 5562 seconds or 92mins and 42 secs to meet.

I'll probably chage my mind again soon - watch this space. Smile
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Nigel Cavendish
Could this thread be re-named?

Arithmatic, or mathematic, or algebraic, or statistical teasers would seem more appropriate?
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Don Atkinson
I'll probably chage my mind again soon - watch this space.

No need to change, Ian - you're spot-on.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 24 April 2007 by Don Atkinson
quote:
"Arithmatic, or mathematic, or algebraic, or statistical teasers"

Bit of a mouthful all that lot - but I see your point.

Perhaps Omer will return with his colourful hats

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 25 April 2007 by John Channing
Win some Money!
Chinese maths test
Posted on: 26 April 2007 by Alexander
Should be possible to convert the train question to a plain trigonometry question. I'll make a pic
Posted on: 06 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
An escalating problem

Nigel, who is always in a hurry, walks up a moving escalator at a rate of one step per second, taking 20 steps to reach the top.

Next day, in a flaming panic, Nigel runs up the escalator taking 32 steps to reach the top.

How many steps are there in the escalator (ie how many steps are exposed)

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
Brick-Walls

Nigel would take 9 hours to build my brick wall.

Rupert would take 10 hours to build the same wall.

When Nigel and Rupert work together, 10 bricks less get laid per hour. (between the pair of them)

I was in a hurry, so I put them both onto the job together and the took exactly 5 hours to build my wall.

How many bricks are in the wall?

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
.........and for the benefit of Mr Cavendish.....

yes, I am aware that the average 12 year-old would be able to use his simple algebra to knock both the above out in less than 5 minutes....

But we don't have too many 12 year-olds on the forum at present.....and most 52 year-olds will now have 40 years of congealed grease to overcome before getting the old brain into gear and running smoothly.........or have to recall where they filed their Bostock & Chandler Big Grin

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Ian G.
How embarassing then - unlike an average 12 year old I've spent at least 10mins on the escalator problem and haven't found the 'key' yet. Confused

I do know how many bricks there are in the wall tho' Smile

Ian
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
I've just had a quick check, Ian.

Both problems fall into Mr Cavendish's category of "algebraic teaser", but I would agree that the escalator is a little bit harder for a 12-year-old than the brick wall.

Once you're past 13, I don't hold much hope at all..........

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
quote:
An escalating problem

Nigel, who is always in a hurry, walks up a moving escalator at a rate of one step per second, taking 20 steps to reach the top.

Next day, in a flaming panic, Nigel runs up the escalator taking 32 steps to reach the top.

How many steps are there in the escalator (ie how many steps are exposed)


Ian, and others

I apologise - please note

I should have written.....

"Next day, in a flaming panic, Nigel runs up the escalator at two steps per second taking 32 steps to reach the top."

Hopefully the average 13 year old can sort it out now

Once again,

apologies

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Ian G.
Thanks for the missing bit of info which provided the key. I think I'm back on par with your mythical 12 year old!

regards

Ian
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Alexander
Nigel is showing his age.
Well I have an answer.
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Ian G.
I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

The sum of mine is 980 - if one can add bricks to steps !

Is it just you and me playing in this thread Alex?
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
quote:
Is it just you and me playing in this thread Alex?


Looks like it.........but there are quite a few watching your every move!!!!!!

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Don Atkinson
quote:
The sum of mine is 980 - if one can add bricks to steps !


Looks like you can add up as well.........

Well done Ian.

I'm sure Alex will soon advise how to split the 980........

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Alexander
I forgot the bricks assignment. Just a minnit(mumble mumble)
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Alexander
I managed to miscalculate on the bricks thing Smile

but yes, 900 and 80.
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Ian G.
ok, here's a little geometry one so Don can join in.

Archimedes worked out upper and lower bounds for the value of pi by circumscribing two circles on a hexagon - one 'on the outside' through all the 6 vertices and one 'on the inside', just touching to all the 6 edges.

What are the upper and lower values he came up with.

Ian
(I pose this not 'cos it is hard but because this idea is so deeply beautiful I need to share it Smile True genius.)
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Alexander
I can calculate it (3<PI<6/sqrt(3))but I'm in doubt about how Archimedes would handle the square root of 3.
Posted on: 07 May 2007 by Ian G.
Yep Alex, apparently the Greeks did know the ratio of the sides of various triangles and he used that rather than the trig. we use. Even more impressively he took this further using polygons with up to 96 sides. And they didn't use decimals - only fractions.

There are some interesting details here Nova - Pi

Ian