New Order split - Is anyone bothered?

Someone somewhere will be crying in their beer tonight but could I care less- Nope.

Liked a couple of singles but how a band that struggled to play their instruments in tune managed to achieve their cult status I can't imagine. Though I am sure I will be enlightened by someone on the forum.

Think I need a couple of stiff drinks to celebrate- now where is that cake.

How does my face look?

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New Order split - Is anyone bothered?

I'm not nor was this gent

Diccus,

Not a lot of popular support so far, but I saw New Order in 1980 as well and thought they were excellent.

Ceremony is still my favourite single by them. Unknown Pleasures is an excellent album with some great tunes, but Closer is a much harder listen. Atmosphere on 12" is also a cracking record by Joy Division.

They may not be as relevant now, but the back catalog still has some impressive moments. The film about Curtis could be interesting for our generation, but I cannot see the appeal stretching beyond that.

Regards

Nic

........and Bernie seriously struggled to sing.

Love the Blair/Catherine Tate sketch........Qualiteeeeee

If you think how many times Faith and Blue Monday have been sampled and are still being sampled then their relevance is not in question.

The changed invented electronic music as we know it today........imho

Ryan

That should have been invented/changed...

Perhaps the MILLIONS that bought their LP's/CD's/Videos/DVD's and all those that went to see them will be sad to see the end.

Mark

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Originally posted by Chillkram:
How does my face look?

Fairly happy?

Saw them last autumn in Glasgow and saw Peter Hook DJ at a club afterwards. They were good but the feeling seemed to be that it was a farewell.

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:

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Originally posted by Chillkram:
How does my face look?

Fairly happy?

But does it look bovvered?

Priceless sketch

I sort of am and I'm sort of not.

New Order were, for a number of years, quite simply the greatest band on earth. They were certainly (with the possible exception of The Smiths) easily the most influential band of the 1980s: Blue Monday is the fulcrum on which that decade turns. It's still a peerless record.

Their problem was that they went on too long. The comeback shows in '98 at Reading, Manchester, Liverpool and Ally Pally were magnificent, but they should have kept it at that. Instead, they made a couple of really duff records WITHOUT Gillian (who always played a bigger role than people thought) and played gigs which, while often entertaining, lacked the frisson many of their earlier gigs had - Bernard's terror of being on stage, equipment breaking down, sets which changed from night to night, their habit of developing songs on stage months before they appeared on record, their perversity, etc.

I saw them 73 times, on a couple of occasions they were transcendent, about five times they were superb, sometimes they were good, occasionally mediocre; on about five occasions they were so dire I thought seriously about never bothering with them again.

So I'm bovvered that I'm not overly sad they split up... went on 9 years too long. They seem a bit embarrassing, like Dads trying to dance to Gnarls Barklay at a wedding.

K

PS - To the deaf person who complained about them struggling to play in tune. That was never the point. New Order were always about the emotional hit, the humanity, not Dire Straits- style musicianship.

If you need convincing, here are 10 great New Order moments (in no particular order)

1. Regret (Republic 93)
2. All Day Long (Brotherhood 86)
3. Ecstasy (Power Corruption & Lies 83)
4. Everything's Gone Green (single 81)
5. Lonesome Tonight (B-side 84)
6. Dream Attack (Technique 89)
7. Round & Round (12" remix 89)
8. Blue Monday/The Beach (singe/B side 83)
9. Ceremony (original mix single 81)
10. Video 586 (recorded 82, not released until 97)

Kevin,
I think you've got it about spot on. The fact that they went on for too long does not change how important they were.

Ryan

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Originally posted by Chillkram:

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:

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Originally posted by Chillkram:
How does my face look?

Fairly happy?

But does it look bovvered?

Half way to seem worried!

Btw i like New Order albums from the early days of the Division.
Listening to the last i got disappointed.
If there's nothing more to say better leave things as they are.

Maybe this could start a trend

Rolling Stones break up wooo hooo

U2 make a quality recording and split

But seriously New Order were a great band but things do run their course I suppose. Indie bands should take a lesson from Dance and Jazz and have collaborations with over artists to freshen themselves up from time to time especially younger new musicians.



Dean..

Dean,
the clloaborations idea is a good one, but I tihnk that there aren't enough good bands and ergo musicians around to give enough mileage.

I remember years ago at being into industrial metal/rock and that scene was completely incestuous, and really stagnated quickly because the decent musicians/bands just kept working together and ran out of ideas very quickly.

Ryan

Ryan

I take your point thats definitely how music scenes implode, I should have added "outside of their Music genre" as well. It seems to me thats how music develops by mixing the gene pool. House music came about with a fusion of American soul and funk mixed with European Electro/Synth pop.



Dean..

I'm bothered, but Kevin just about sums it up.

Still I'll always have this...

Kevin

Superbly summed up. I adored Everythings gone green and Ceremony aswell as the later more danceable tracks. Of their time, essential.

Regards

Diccus

Nope. I never liked Joy Division or New Order. The "I'm soooo saaad" take on music is boring. Perhaps if they never existed, we wouldn't have to bear witness to all the lame Emo bands. Those guys could barely even play their instruments. I know, "they were an Important band"....whatever... yawn

Biddy, so you've never actually listened to any New Order without dismissing it beforehand. And whilst Barny could struggle vocally, I think 'barely even play their instruments' is out of (new) order. There's more to music than virtuoso performances.

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Originally posted by Biddy:
Those guys could barely even play their instruments.

Biddy - so what about the gal then?

I can't play any instruments (the triangle would probably be beyond me) and I therefore doubt that if I made a CD/LP now it would sell ANY copies. Makes me wonder how New Order managed to shift so many...............

Mark

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Originally posted by ryan_d:
If you think how many times Faith and Blue Monday have been sampled and are still being sampled then their relevance is not in question.

The changed invented electronic music as we know it today........imho

Ryan

is it not the same tracks that keep getting sampled?

I was a big fan of Joy Division at the time, and then Ceremony hit the spot for me, but I didn't really get Blue Monday. I got overdosed with Blue Monday from a friend of mine and the endless re-mixes, and it just bored the arse off me. They were The Shadows without Cliff ( ) .
Hooky had one original idea that he made a 30 year career out of, and Barney always seemed to be standing-in. They just became seriously boring to me. I had no idea that they were supposed to be still together to be honest, but at least it spared us from a re-union circus. A very long and boring fizzle-out.
I guess I'm just a Joy Division snob.