Restaurants and Smoking

Clive

I can't see myself how a smoking ban in restaurants would affect business too much - even when I smoked myself (I've been clean for well over three years now) I wouldn't have smoked over a table. There's no quicker way to ruin both your and your companions' enjoyment of the meal you're all paying to eat.

A wee bit of scaremongering perhaps?

Kevin

Here in California you're not allowed to smoke in a resturant or a bar! The bar owner's were screaming bloody murder when the law was first put on the books saying they would lose business, etc. Nothing of the sort ever happened.

john

I know smokers are made to feel like pariahs these days, but it simply is a disgusting habit and smell (never mind the active and passive health risks).

Would a smoker want to have a meal in the proximity of someone with serious body odour, or a serial farter?

I think not.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cunningplan:
Just an observation, we had a rare family lunch out today (Friday) at Pizza Express, and before anybody condemns me for that we like it
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No need to apologise for eating at Pizza Express, it leaves all other pizza chains standing.
Anyway, why shouldn't the pub and restaurant industry should be subject to the same health and safety legislation as that which applies to any other workplace, i.e. taking measures to ensure that its staff are not exposed to harmful cigarette smoke.

Me too; Love Pizza Express.
I find with more restrictions on smoking in pubs and restaurants, I am becoming less tolerant of places that do allow it, and find that as I now have a choice, I specifically avoid places where smoking is allowed. It sounds spoilt, but this would have been unimaginable just 2 years ago!
There is a non-smoking pub nearby that relaxes its policy later in the evening as long as no-one complains. Someone close by lit up, so we left. It's great not having to put up with it anymore.

A local Pizza restaurant in Hamburg got fined for burning their food, and the subsequent smoke reaching diners, innit.


Fritz Von Crusty stuff

I'm a smoker but I never smoke indoors(except my own) even where allowed, restaurant or not. I'm in favour of a ban in all public places except outdoors (with the exception of near to building entrances or in crowded places)

By god, this thread could open a can of worms. So I'll start by saying that, I would have more respect for the "people" who are trying to ban smoking by the back door, without having the gut's to just ban it outright. But of course a total ban would cost them Billions in lost revenue. So the easy way for them is to make it possible for the rest of us halo bearing soles to treat smokers like pariahs. I haven't smoked for about 45 years ,I find it to say the least objectionable,anti social, unpleasent and all of the rest of the un's you could lay your tongue to, but after we have made smokers lives hell, after all, it's not totally illegal, who do we pick on next ,drivers of large cars, or engines over a 1000 cc's Noisey or fast Motor bikes, people with long hair, more than one child or red or blue shirtsthe list could be endless.No I would advocate a more tolerant society, if it's not outright illegal, and the goverment does receive a large part of it's revenue from smokers, they should be allowed smoking areas, just as non smokers should be allowed non smokeing areas.Now if the goverment made smoking completely illegal well, thats a differant story

oldie.

Interestintg thread this. Firstly let me state my position as a non smoker since June last. I went to Nice for Easter and ate out in several restaurants. Visitors to France will notice a) the much greater number of smokers in France, particularly among the young and b) their total disregard for regulations regarding non smoking ie 5 smokers in a non smoking train compartment!
I never thought I would find smoking objectionable but in French restaurants many people light up between courses and I found this most unpleasant. I now fully support a ban on smoking in all restaurants. Smoking ares won't work. As someone once said a smoking area in a restaurant is rather like a peeing area in a swimming baths! A smoking ban has worked in Ireland, its worked in Italy, its only a matter of time before we ban it too.

Bob

Claims for heavy smoking in France are completely eclipsed by the Danes. They could win a galaxy-wide smoking olympics with both hands tied behind their backs.

They even have ashtrays in some libraries in the newspaper and magazine reading areas!

They should stop all these stupid high-brow anti-smoking advertising campaigns and go straight for the jugular of the next generation of cancer stick puffers!

Tell the cool 12 year old dudes and mini-slags in their grown-up gear that they stink like the revolting ashtrays they fill so frequently. And that same stink can be smelt from several yards by a non-smoker.

Nime

While respecting all the views expressed here, I would candidly suggest that if Pizza Express were seriously concerned about anyone's health while frequenting their establishments, they would simply ban comsumption of food produced on the premises.

Chaps

Anyone who smokes in a restaurant is a selfish sod. Even forgetting the health issues, which is compounded when children are present, there is the social thing of having these social rejects making your clothes stink.

They law is soon making indoor smoking illegal, so up to a point, this is a pointless discussion.

It is just sad that these selfish sods had to have legislation brought in when the decent thing would have been for them to have voluntarily refrained themselves.

That is why they are the new scumbags of society and rightly so.

Regards

Mick

Mick, forgive me if I'm wrong.
But don't I remember you stating in one of your threads, whilst still at the Post Office, you leaving "tired and emotional", after a freeby lunch at the most expensive pie and chip cafe in london at which expensive wines and cigars were consumed.
Pots and Kettles, come to mind.

oldie.

Oldie

You are wrong and I suppose I shall forgive you.

I smoked regular pre 86 but never in a restaurant, I do have some standards.

Regards

Mick

Ban it now, let the world smell better.

As an aside my mother gave up 20 years ago after starting at 14ish and now stuggles to remeber how awfull the house smelt.

Jono

A common problem me and the Wife having Sunday Lunch out is have is to choose to sit in the non-smoking 'family area' with little loves running around screaming or in with the smokers getting stunk out!

Pizza Express is a good example where parents pay for the kids to have thier parties. Which is worse, sitting next to puffing billies, or to fifteen screeching tweenies who jump up to go to the toilet every 2-3 minutes, always in groups of three or four? What are they doing? Needless to say, they don't eat any of the food presented, and were ferried away in fleets of Mummy's taxis / people carriers etc.

And they say the French attitude to children is the model?

[Dons tin hat and ducks]

Misanthrope DS

Mick,
one up to you then!
A much chasened and confused
oldie.

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Posted Sun 10 April 2005 20:58
Ban it now, let the world smell better.

As an aside my mother gave up 20 years ago after starting at 14ish and now stuggles to remeber how awfull the house smelt.

Have to admit to the same. Though I do remember the yellow roof.

Ah, the annual repaint!

The "antiquing" effect of half a dozen smokers in the same room is not to be understimated. I'm suprised it's not mentioned more often in the glossy interior decoration books for the perfect smoothness of its overall effect.

Correct me if I'm wrong but is Mick suddenly making more sense than usual? I'm finding myself agreeing with every word he says.

New batteries in the remote perhaps?

Nime

quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but is Mick suddenly making more sense than usual? I'm finding myself agreeing with every word he says.

Underneath that hard exterior, there is a soft centre. But don't tell him that, it won't do his street credibility any good

Regards
Clive

quote:

New batteries in the remote perhaps

Since when has Mick ever been remotely remote?

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Originally posted by cunningplan:

Underneath that hard exterior, there is a soft centre. But don't tell him that, it won't do his street credibility any good

Regards
Clive

Sorry Clive, your cunning plan isn't working on me. The lapse was only temporary. (ellegedly)
He's up to his neck in it again.

Is he back on the old meds again? Too many side effects with his new meds I suppose? Like compassion, sensitivity, respect, an open mind.....?

Nime

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Originally posted by J.N.:
I know smokers are made to feel like pariahs these days, but it simply is a disgusting habit and smell (never mind the active and passive health risks).

ANYONE who smokes around food DESERVES to be a pariah - it's FOUL! And this from a smoker (OK, I gave up for 4 weeks and 2 days, went to a party last Thursday and had 2 smokes, so back to square one - damn my weak will!). Even as a full-time smoker, I *never* smoked when people ate; my housemate (back in the day) used to smoke when I was trying to eat my breakfast and it made me feel sick!

Pizza Express is the best chain pizza place in the UK if you ask me

PE is OK, but the menu needs changing a bit more frequently, and a few more pasta dishes would be nice.

I still enjoy my American Hot there.

DS

I wanted kipper but they'd only serve steamed !


Fritz Von Kedgering along