Moon Landing. Fact or Fiction.
Posted by: _charlie on 08 October 2007
Until recently I had never heard of the conspiracy theory that we never landed on the moon. Given recent fuel by a Fox documentary that gave credence to those who doubted we ever landed on the moon and that the whole thing was filmed in a studio. I've even heard one theory that has movie director Stanley Kubrick directing the whole enterprise. He was apparently rewarded by with use of a special NASA camera worth one million to film interiors of 'Barry Lyndon'.
If you look at the rock labeled R you will notice a the letter C carved in the rock. Perhaps a gag left by the props department?
A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 20% of them believe the Apollo Missions were faked.
Anyone familiar with these or similar claims ?
Bizarre stuff and, I think, a rather poor reflection of the times. People, it seems, have so little faith in their higher institutions.

If you look at the rock labeled R you will notice a the letter C carved in the rock. Perhaps a gag left by the props department?
A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 20% of them believe the Apollo Missions were faked.
Anyone familiar with these or similar claims ?
Bizarre stuff and, I think, a rather poor reflection of the times. People, it seems, have so little faith in their higher institutions.
Posted on: 10 October 2007 by Stephen Bennett
quote:
A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 20% of them believe the Apollo Missions were faked.
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A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 50% of them believe a god created the earth in 7 days.
Go figure as they say over there.

Stephen
Posted on: 10 October 2007 by jayd
quote:Originally posted by Stephen Bennett:
A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 50% of them believe a god created the earth in 7 days.
Go figure as they say over there.
Stephen
This from a fellow whose country is setting up an official embassy in a computer-generated fantasy world. Go figure, indeed.
Posted on: 10 October 2007 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:Originally posted by oxgangs:
This is what Buzz Aldrin thinks and does when accused of not going to the moon
buzz
OUTSTANDING
Posted on: 10 October 2007 by PJT
quote:Originally posted by mike lacey:quote:Originally posted by oxgangs:
This is what Buzz Aldrin thinks and does when accused of not going to the moon
buzz
OUTSTANDING
Mind you I am surprised he was so subtle about it.
Posted on: 10 October 2007 by Lightkeeper
I don't believe they're ever land on the moon as I cannot see any benefit from that. The other thing and benefit is in the fact that they trying to convince us in opposite.
I like to read about conspiracy theory so I can reccomend you a new book of David Icke called The Biggest Secret.
Oz
I like to read about conspiracy theory so I can reccomend you a new book of David Icke called The Biggest Secret.
Oz
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Don Atkinson
quote:a new book of David Icke
So it MUST be true then (whatever it is that David says in his book)
Cheers
Don
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Simon Matthews
Ozren
So you believe more in the idea of a global conspiracy run and coordinated by large lizards as opposed to believing the combined efforts of over 1 million people over the period of a decade in creating the apollo space program?
Man oh man where did we go wrong?
So you believe more in the idea of a global conspiracy run and coordinated by large lizards as opposed to believing the combined efforts of over 1 million people over the period of a decade in creating the apollo space program?
Man oh man where did we go wrong?
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Simon Matthews
Just saw the youtube clip -- brilliant.
Go buzz!
Go buzz!
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Lightkeeper
Well, story about half-lizards is quite bizarre to me too, but it is also used to make David a clown to which cannot be trust anything else then. I really don't like that black and white relations, so the thing why I like his books is because he is a first writer who have many informations which I can connect to many details I know from tons of materials and book I read in the past about this subject.
I agree that lizard people are not chewable for everyone, but it is not fair to penalise everything else from this author. Even him in his book Biggest Secret says that he perfectly understand what kind of reaction will lizards start from some people. I think that youtube movies or some other short materials can only produce some kind of antagonism and provocation to Davids work, rather than spread the interest to read his book(s), so please if you will have a chance to read his book, just do it and I am convince you that you will find many believable and logical things in it.
Oz
I agree that lizard people are not chewable for everyone, but it is not fair to penalise everything else from this author. Even him in his book Biggest Secret says that he perfectly understand what kind of reaction will lizards start from some people. I think that youtube movies or some other short materials can only produce some kind of antagonism and provocation to Davids work, rather than spread the interest to read his book(s), so please if you will have a chance to read his book, just do it and I am convince you that you will find many believable and logical things in it.
Oz
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Malky
quote:so please if you will have a chance to read his book, just do it and I am convince you that you will find many believable and logical things in it.
I very much doubt it. The poor guy has so obviously developed a psychotic illness. And, no, that isn't an establishment attempt to undermine his otherwise 'credible' claims. If I had a tenner for every paranoid conspiracy theory I have heard from those experiencing psychotic illness I could retire.
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Lightkeeper
Malky,
it is really need to know something about this before someone express some thoughts.
Of course that there is many impossible theories, but also it is evident that many of them are possible and once happened.
Daivd is realy not a psycho and he does not suffer from some prophet syndrom.
You know, for me under conspiracy group belongs let's say the fact that vaccine which is invented for dental caries many years ago is not available to buy anywhere in the world.
conspiracy theory for me is also the fact that in WWII american financial minister brother have been german minister of war and so on.
The thing is that you need to find your own rationality theorem.
Oz
it is really need to know something about this before someone express some thoughts.
Of course that there is many impossible theories, but also it is evident that many of them are possible and once happened.
Daivd is realy not a psycho and he does not suffer from some prophet syndrom.
You know, for me under conspiracy group belongs let's say the fact that vaccine which is invented for dental caries many years ago is not available to buy anywhere in the world.
conspiracy theory for me is also the fact that in WWII american financial minister brother have been german minister of war and so on.
The thing is that you need to find your own rationality theorem.
Oz

Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Chris Kelly
quote:Daivd is realy not a psycho and he does not suffer from some prophet syndrom.
Oz
Anyone here in the UK who saw DI being interviewed on TV when he went from TV sports presenter to self-declared visionary might just dispute that.
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Simon Matthews
In Ozrens defence, I watched a doc on channel 5 late last year and Icke cam across more balanced and reasoned than I was expecting. He has over the last few years made a number of predictions which have come to pass, most of which anybody with their finger on the pulse of world events would probably have come to (iraq invasion etc etc).
Having said that he didn't dwell too much on his large lizard theories which, to nearly all sane people, does more than a little damage to any other of his ideas.
And at the end of the day all this does nothing to make me feel any less sad for the people out there who don't believe we ever walked on the moon.
Having said that he didn't dwell too much on his large lizard theories which, to nearly all sane people, does more than a little damage to any other of his ideas.
And at the end of the day all this does nothing to make me feel any less sad for the people out there who don't believe we ever walked on the moon.
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Bob McC
I'm just sorry Buzz appeared to only manage to land one punch on the nutter.
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Nigel Cavendish
Don
David Icke does walk on another planet.
David Icke does walk on another planet.
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by acad tsunami
David Icke - oh dear. The sad thing is he really does come out with some true and interesting stuff and he also comes out with some absoultely barking mad utter nonsense. Happily, for the most part, it is very easy to separate one from the other but there is a murky overlap where this is not quite so easy. I occasionally dip into his stuff - more for a laugh than any other reason.
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Don Atkinson
quote:David Icke does walk on another planet.
Nice one.
Cheers
Don
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Stephen Bennett
quote:Originally posted by jayd:
This from a fellow whose country is setting up an official embassy in a computer-generated fantasy world. Go figure, indeed.
Hey, my country is England. I just live in Sweden. I can't help it that they are all crazy here.

Stephen
PS I'm a total Americophile.

Posted on: 11 October 2007 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:Originally posted by Ozren Herold:
I don't believe they're ever land on the moon as I cannot see any benefit from that. The other thing and benefit is in the fact that they trying to convince us in opposite.
I like to read about conspiracy theory so I can reccomend you a new book of David Icke called The Biggest Secret.
Oz
Oz dude; are you the inspiration for Otto from the Simpsons?
Please send me some of those drugs you are on ha ha!
Posted on: 11 October 2007 by PJT
quote:Originally posted by Simon Matthews:
Ozren
So you believe more in the idea of a global conspiracy run and coordinated by large lizards as opposed to believing the combined efforts of over 1 million people over the period of a decade in creating the apollo space program?
Man oh man where did we go wrong?
No it's not Lizards, but the DOLPHINS who rule Earth

Posted on: 11 October 2007 by NaimDropper
Atomic bombs are a fake too.
David
David
Posted on: 12 October 2007 by Stephen Bennett
quote:Originally posted by NaimDropper:
Atomic bombs are a fake too.
David
As are some women's breasts, apparently.
Regards
stephen
Posted on: 12 October 2007 by BigH47
quote:Atomic bombs are a fake too.
David
Try telling the residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Posted on: 12 October 2007 by TomK
quote:Originally posted by Stephen Bennett:quote:
A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 20% of them believe the Apollo Missions were faked.
.
A recent poll of Americans revealed that fully 50% of them believe a god created the earth in 7 days.
Go figure as they say over there.
Stephen
I'd love to see where all these figures actually come from. Having lived and worked in the US for 3 years I found the people to be largely polite, well educated (if a bit on the insular side but that's not too surprising in a country of that size) and no more prone to extreme beliefs than anywhere else.
Posted on: 12 October 2007 by Beano
Homo-Sapien's Greatest Hits!
It's an LP.
Scenes From Earth, Greetings From Earth, Music and the Sounds Of Earth.
"In the upper left-hand corner is an easily recognized drawing of the phonograph record and the stylus carried with it. The stylus is in the correct position to play the record from the beginning. Written around it in binary arithmetic is the correct time of one rotation of the record, 3.6 seconds, expressed in time units of 0,70 billionths of a second, the time period associated with a fundamental transition of the hydrogen atom. The drawing indicates that the record should be played from the outside in. Below this drawing is a side view of the record and stylus, with a binary number giving the time to play one side of the record - about an hour.
"The information in the upper right-hand portion of the cover is designed to show how pictures are to be constructed from the recorded signals. The top drawing shows the typical signal that occurs at the start of a picture. The picture is made from this signal, which traces the picture as a series of vertical lines, similar to ordinary television (in which the picture is a series of horizontal lines). Picture lines 1, 2 and 3 are noted in binary numbers, and the duration of one of the "picture lines," about 8 milliseconds, is noted. The drawing immediately below shows how these lines are to be drawn vertically, with staggered "interlace" to give the correct picture rendition. Immediately below this is a drawing of an entire picture raster, showing that there are 512 vertical lines in a complete picture. Immediately below this is a replica of the first picture on the record to permit the recipients to verify that they are decoding the signals correctly. A circle was used in this picture to insure that the recipients use the correct ratio of horizontal to vertical height in picture reconstruction.
"The drawing in the lower left-hand corner of the cover is the pulsar map previously sent as part of the plaques on Pioneers 10 and 11. It shows the location of the solar system with respect to 14 pulsars, whose precise periods are given. The drawing containing two circles in the lower right-hand corner is a drawing of the hydrogen atom in its two lowest states, with a connecting line and digit 1 to indicate that the time interval associated with the transition from one state to the other is to be used as the fundamental time scale, both for the time given on the cover and in the decoded pictures.
"Electroplated onto the record's cover is an ultra-pure source of uranium-238 with a radioactivity of about 0.00026 microcuries. The steady decay of the uranium source into its daughter isotopes makes it a kind of radioactive clock. Half of the uranium-238 will decay in 4.51 billion years. Thus, by examining this two-centimeter diameter area on the record plate and measuring the amount of daughter elements to the remaining uranium-238, an extraterrestrial recipient of the Voyager spacecraft could calculate the time elapsed since a spot of uranium was placed aboard the spacecraft. This should be a check on the epoch of launch, which is also described by the pulsar map on the record cover."
Beano

It's an LP.
Scenes From Earth, Greetings From Earth, Music and the Sounds Of Earth.
"In the upper left-hand corner is an easily recognized drawing of the phonograph record and the stylus carried with it. The stylus is in the correct position to play the record from the beginning. Written around it in binary arithmetic is the correct time of one rotation of the record, 3.6 seconds, expressed in time units of 0,70 billionths of a second, the time period associated with a fundamental transition of the hydrogen atom. The drawing indicates that the record should be played from the outside in. Below this drawing is a side view of the record and stylus, with a binary number giving the time to play one side of the record - about an hour.
"The information in the upper right-hand portion of the cover is designed to show how pictures are to be constructed from the recorded signals. The top drawing shows the typical signal that occurs at the start of a picture. The picture is made from this signal, which traces the picture as a series of vertical lines, similar to ordinary television (in which the picture is a series of horizontal lines). Picture lines 1, 2 and 3 are noted in binary numbers, and the duration of one of the "picture lines," about 8 milliseconds, is noted. The drawing immediately below shows how these lines are to be drawn vertically, with staggered "interlace" to give the correct picture rendition. Immediately below this is a drawing of an entire picture raster, showing that there are 512 vertical lines in a complete picture. Immediately below this is a replica of the first picture on the record to permit the recipients to verify that they are decoding the signals correctly. A circle was used in this picture to insure that the recipients use the correct ratio of horizontal to vertical height in picture reconstruction.
"The drawing in the lower left-hand corner of the cover is the pulsar map previously sent as part of the plaques on Pioneers 10 and 11. It shows the location of the solar system with respect to 14 pulsars, whose precise periods are given. The drawing containing two circles in the lower right-hand corner is a drawing of the hydrogen atom in its two lowest states, with a connecting line and digit 1 to indicate that the time interval associated with the transition from one state to the other is to be used as the fundamental time scale, both for the time given on the cover and in the decoded pictures.
"Electroplated onto the record's cover is an ultra-pure source of uranium-238 with a radioactivity of about 0.00026 microcuries. The steady decay of the uranium source into its daughter isotopes makes it a kind of radioactive clock. Half of the uranium-238 will decay in 4.51 billion years. Thus, by examining this two-centimeter diameter area on the record plate and measuring the amount of daughter elements to the remaining uranium-238, an extraterrestrial recipient of the Voyager spacecraft could calculate the time elapsed since a spot of uranium was placed aboard the spacecraft. This should be a check on the epoch of launch, which is also described by the pulsar map on the record cover."
Beano