which mains blocks

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Originally posted by scottyhammer:
hi peter,
do you sell the experience mains block or know an outlet ?
regards, dave
p.s. the sondeks singing well

Scotty,
I got my experience kit from Peter, so I'm sure he has 'em available. In fact, I believe some of his team members also use Experience in their own personal hi-fi systems.

Joe

any pics of this kit anyone ?
cheers, scotty

just done a search on experience mains cables and it doesnt look like what im after. i want a 4 to 6 way mains block.
scotty

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Originally posted by scottyhammer:
just done a search on experience mains cables and it doesnt look like what im after. i want a 4 to 6 way mains block.
scotty

They make a 6 way mains power block with surge protection. I bought one. I think its called The Ultimatium. I can't get a picture as its behind the fraim. Contact Peter, he should be able to sort you out.

thanks joe,
dont know if theres a web site do you ?
regards, scotty

nigel,
i would like to take you up on your 4 way hydra offer!
scotty

SCotty, what is your hydra at the mo? Coz if you are getting rid of yours i may be interested. You can mail me at ryan dot donaghy at virgin dot net so we don't infringe any forum rules.

Cheers
Ryan

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Originally posted by scottyhammer:
thanks joe,
dont know if theres a web site do you ?
regards, scotty

Hi Scotty,
I tried doing a search under Experience Filtration Cable to get the address but the website is currently down. You may wish to try a little later.

Joe

hi ryan.
mines a 3 way hydra. want a 4 way
scotty

thanks joe

Scotty, thats all i would need.....i think. No plans for any major upgrades at the mo. mail me and i'm sure we could sort something out.

Ryan

you have e mail ryan

Just to add my experience to this I jsut picked up a 6 way hydra from Grahams this afternoon and the result is fantastic! Much less background interference in the sound as the Naim equipment is not running in the same bank (Surge protector in my case) as the plasma/dvd player etc.

I've got one hydra head free incase I ever go pre/power for stereo instead of a Nait5i so all my power thoughts are over i'm glad to report!

KTMax said:

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In my experience surge protection, switches and leds in the mains supply are very effective music killers...

I have fitted surge suppressors on all my mains outlets (these are approved units that simply plug into the wll socket) after extensive damage caused by a lightning strike nearby.
Both my Naim dealer and I detected no diference in sound quality . Enquiries revealed that surge suppressors are completely invisible in the absence of over-voltage conditions.

So whilst I would never advocate the use of mains filters , the uberspannung fitments are
an essential. Normal precautions with regard to lightning strikes ie. unplugging equipment etc.will continue.

Bob

nigel,(hungryhalibut)
e mail me on scottyhammer at aol dot com
regarding 4way hydra
cheers, scotty

Scotty, they're great honestly I'm loving my first night with a hydra (6-Way) i'm sure there are better but not for £100 that i've found.

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Originally posted by Goldstar: Both my Naim dealer and I detected no diference in sound quality. Enquiries revealed that surge suppressors are completely invisible in the absence of over-voltage conditions.

Not hearing any difference is great but it really amazes me. I've tried sooooo many mains blocks of different manufacturers extensively. Ranging from the "rich'n famous" to humble, nameless and cheap. Each one with some sort of surge protection in it, being expensive or not, resulted in a clear deterioration of the sound. Some more than others but none excepted. Great that you've found one that doesn't!

I find mains supply a very fascinating aspect. I'm about to change the type of cable from my 12mtr. spur this week. Following the view/advise from the likes or NBS, Cardas and my own dealer who advise to use an unshielded cable with 4mm² solid core conductors instead of a shielded stranded cable like I have now.

Using an unshielded cable seems strange to me but these parties are consistent in their advise. Unshielded because typically, the capacitance of a shielded cable is roughly 3x as high as unshielded. Solid core because it's supposed to sound more natural and relaxed and because normal stranded cable deteriorates quickly due to corrosion of the individual copper strands which is much more than the corrosion on the outside of just one solid conductor.

I don't know but it's only a few hours work and not very expensive so I'll give it a go. Downside of such a massive lump of copper is that it takes weeks to brake in...

Richard.

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Downside of such a massive lump of copper is that it takes weeks to brake in...

Yes, prepare to be disappointed intitially (I was). There was an immeditate improvement in mid detail, but the bass went AWOL and everything sound quite thin for a week or so.

Cheers

Mike

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Following the view/advise from the likes or NBS, Cardas and my own dealer who advise to use an unshielded cable with 4mm² solid core conductors instead of a shielded stranded cable like I have now.

While you are doing the work, I'd seriously consider 10mm2 cable - you should find it a lot better.

Nigel

Hi Richard,

Well, just to keep you in the picture, all the mains cables and block are all standard Naim issue, there nothing has been changed. Except there is now a overvoltage protector that plugs into the wall outlet.

In all truth, after my experience with the lightning damage,even if it did effect the sound I would think very carefully before removing the overvoltage protector.

It also must be said that damaging overvoltages can occur at any time. Apparently these can cause damage to the equipment that is not at first apparent, but which causes a degradation of the sound quality over a period of time.

Cheers,

Bob

p.s.

If it is allowed within the forum rules I can give further details of the device.

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Originally posted by Michael_B.: Yes, prepare to be disappointed intitially (I was). There was an immeditate improvement in mid detail, but the bass went AWOL and everything sound quite thin for a week or so.

Funny you say this Mike. Just an hour ago I replaced the first half of my spur (the easy part) with the solid core and already hear exactly what you describe. Very clean but slightly meager mids and the bass is gone, sounding weak and fluffy... And this is only half of the 12mrt run.

@Nigel: you might be right but on the other hand, a 10mm² cable has a lower resistance (about half), the same inductance but 3 x more capacitance. So do you want to be bitten by the cat or by the dog? They will sound different at least. But this one already is a real stiff pig to work with and to get into connectors and mains block properly...

Richard.

Experience filtration do 2 mains blocks, the disclosure mains block at £105.00 which is a 6 six socket block, and a more expensive mains block at £240.00. If you want any more info on these items let me know and I will dig out the email address for you.

yes please tiggers
thanks scotty

Hello Scotty, as far I know their website isn't working at the moment and they are selling their stuff directly on ebay, their seller name is: jv527 or alternatively look up experience filtration on there and there cheaper mains block should come up.

thanx tiggers
correction in tiggers post: ebayer i/d = jv5727