Majik DS v Supernait - demo'd yesterday

Posted by: Occean on 13 May 2009

Yesterday I had the day off work so wondered by a local dealer with a few questions about Linn’s Majik DS and Supernait’s. In a moment of luck the dealer offered a demo later in the day, so I took it up.

So, my current stereo system is Sonos -> AV2/150 -> Spendor S5e/REL Stampede.
While I love the AV performance, the stereo performance is good but not quite where I would like it. So recently I have been debating the idea of a Majik DS to replace the Sonos (and AV2 of decoding duties). I have already tried a few DAC’s but have not been blown away.

The dealer set me up with the following combination's, in this order:

Majik -> 112/150 (112 in absence of an AV2)
Sonos -> Supernait
Majik -> Supernait (digital and analogue)

Initially, without my Spendors, a pair of B&W’s were used circa £1k.

Round 1 : Majik/112/150/B&W
I was entirely under-whelmed, I listened for about 20 minutes and really was not impressed. Treble was harsh, dynamics were missing (I checked, the system was warmed up). So I had a quick word, and the speakers were promptly switched to a pair of PMC GB1’s.

Round 2: Majik/112/150/GB1’s
The speaker change was a revelation, I demo’d the GB1’s when I bought my Spendors and was a fan they, certainly have a low end punch that my Spendors lack, but the sweetness and speed of the Spendors won me over. But to the Majik, the reason for the listen. Playing CD quality FLAC’s the detail was really good, really everything was as expected, but it wasn’t significantly better than my home system, certainly nowhere near enough improvement for the £1.7k asking price for the Majik. For the record, the GUI’s on the Linn DS are really quite nice, I tried the iphone’s songbird which I liked the most, another version for the iphone with was mediocre and a version that ran on a Symbian platform which again seemed not too bad. It will also run with the slimserver remote and interface, which I understand to be the best of the bunch.

Round 3: Sonos/Supernait/GB1’s
Where to start, basically I was shocked. Its sounded absolutely fantastic, what really impressed me was the timing and speed – it sent a shiver down my spine which the last system did not. Listening to Gary Boyle’s Grumble was a revelation compared to the previous combo, it just had such snap (best word I could think of…). Needless to say I was very impressed.

Round 4: Majik/Supernait/GB1’s
I tested this out of curiosity and the dealer was also interested. Both digital and analogue sounded good, really good, I am unsure in isolation I could tell the two apart, but A/B comparison the digital into the Supernait was the winner for me. Interestingly, without extensive listening I do no think I could tell the difference between the Sonos and the Majik as a digital source, the dealer told me the Majik should sound better...

I did the entire test’s using 44.1/16 FLAC’s as I personally do not own anything else. I tried a few high rez ones on the Majik, and as you would expect they sounded quite a bit better. I really hope the industry goes this way.

So in conclusion, I am thoroughly impressed with the performance of the Supernait, paired with the Sonos (Does this mean the whole source first idea goes out the window?) I believe it works out cheaper than a CD5/122/150 (this was my first Naim setup)…and in my opinion out performs it by some margin. If I was an MP, I’d put it on expenses today, but in reality I just need to get it past the girlfriend and it’s mine, replacing my NAP150.
Posted on: 15 May 2009 by spacey
dont they (wireless bridges) also pollute the mains?
Posted on: 15 May 2009 by JYOW
>> dont they (wireless bridges) also pollute the mains?

I don't believe do, there is such a plethora wireless signals around us. Regardless, most of us already have wifi at home.

>>They recommend a ethernet via power solution which apparently works well

I used to use POE at home, but since it is using part of the power they are known to affect the power quality so I installed CAT5 cabling at home instead.
Posted on: 17 May 2009 by PureHifi
Having done direct comparisons with 2 Sonos ZP80 units, one recieving it's music source wirelessly and the other via an ethernet cable, the performance was far superior from the ethernet wired connection.

Both were using Chord Company Optichord 1m interconnects into a Supernait playing uncompressed WAV and FLAC files.

Interestingly one of the things that really made me like the Sonos was changing out the optical cable from an Audioquest cable to the Chord optichord...the difference was huge and to coin an often used phrase, made what was being played via the Audioquest sound really broken.

Whilst Wireless may be easy I would always recommend a wired system and try different optical cables (coaxial can be a nice way to introduce poor electrical power supply issues into your system ;-)
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by Occean
quote:
(coaxial can be a nice way to introduce poor electrical power supply issues into your system ;-)


I had not thought of this...may have to try this out.

I spent ages with friends trying demoing a DC1 v my Chord and the three of use listening could not differentiate between them in the slightest. Which was a shame as I had been offered the DC1 at a bargain price and would have been nice if it had made an improvement.
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by David Young
PureHifi,

Do you have any chance to compare Chord Optichord with Van Den Hul Optocoupler MKII?

Thanks.
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by Hallgeir
quote:
Originally posted by Occean:
quote:
(coaxial can be a nice way to introduce poor electrical power supply issues into your system ;-)


I had not thought of this...may have to try this out.

I spent ages with friends trying demoing a DC1 v my Chord and the three of use listening could not differentiate between them in the slightest. Which was a shame as I had been offered the DC1 at a bargain price and would have been nice if it had made an improvement.

Really? I have both the Optichord and the DC1 and find the differences to be better timing, deeper bass and a more lifelike sound. With the DC1 that is. Results differs with what kind of music I'm playing but they're there for sure. Listening tests also performed and result confirmed by my better half.

I use squeezebox and not Sonos though.
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by Occean
Hallgeir, apologies. My test was dc1 v chord coax, not optical.

I would like to do a coax v optical shoot out sometime.
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by spacey
coax cables are open to designing tones and having a voice, optical cant it just tell it as it is.
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by PureHifi
quote:
Originally posted by r-tee:
......optical can't, it just tell it as it is.


I beg to differ...and I might point out that the results were a suprise to me...
Posted on: 18 May 2009 by spacey
how can a piece of well made glass or plastic that transmits at upto 50ghz not send 30khz without interference?
Posted on: 19 May 2009 by js
They're opaque unless glass and need to be converted back to electrical at both ends. It is my understanding that there isn't a high end version of the connector and that they are not tightly tolerenced. There's a reason that you see tos only on cheap gear and often not at all on high end gear. At least in the past. I guess all those premier manufactureres have been clueless. A proper coax cable actually has higher specs and is recomended for longer runs. Were also talking about square waves and not sine waves so bandwidth is higher than you think.


"Note that there are no differences in the signals transmitted over optical or coaxial S/PDIF connectors—both carry exactly the same information. Connections longer than 6 meters or so, or those requiring tight bends, should use coaxial cable, since the high light signal attenuation of TOSLINK cables limits its effective range. On the other hand, TOSLINK cables are not susceptible to ground loops and RF interference like coaxial cables."

The point here is that if your having a problem with ground loops then fix them. In a system as described here it's not the likely cause if there is one anyway. RF is almost never an issue in a shielded short run. These are more theoretical problems than actual ones in a high end system where as the limits of tos are constant. Glass should be better but you still have the tos recepticles.

If your reclocking everything at the input of a DAC these differences will be minimized but a well clocked, non jittered input stream will always win out over a reclocked one. At least in every example I've heard. (lots) Hopefully this will change in the future as it would be great to have it always wonderful if the bits got there but that just isn't the case right now.
Posted on: 19 May 2009 by BobF
quote:
Originally posted by r-tee:
if the majik DS and sonos (and AE via optical) were connected digitally via optical/coax into a dac, both can and will play the same files in its correct format frequency and hertz then it should and will sound exactly the same. its just a matter of setting them both up to do so.


and all CD players sound the same and CDs offer perfect sound forever Razz format frequency and hertz - LOL
Posted on: 19 May 2009 by spacey
What do you think the origional recording is on ? Cd?