Black Diamond Racing Cones

Posted by: Dr. Exotica on 25 January 2002

Does anyone here on the forum have any opinions regarding placement of a CD3-5 directly on Black Diamond Racing Cones (themselves resting on a Neuance shelf)? I've seen a couple references to these in the forum (by Vuk and Mike H) as well as elsewhere; from all I can gather, it is a thumbs up.

Any thoughts?

Erik

Posted on: 27 January 2002 by Mike Hanson

quote:
I've seen a couple references to these in the forum (by Vuk and Mike H) as well as elsewhere; from all I can gather, it is a thumbs up.

Not under the CD player. It stole all of its life, and the bass virtually disappeared. However, under the pre-amp the BDR cones were great. As Vuk said, though, their improvements can be had with a simple ball-nut configuration. The only reason I use mine is because I have them, but I'll probably sell them at some point.

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

Posted on: 27 January 2002 by Dr. Exotica

quote:
Originally posted by Vuk:
Dr. Boybander.
... <chop> ...
(Note: I am replying to a boybander only to correct the impression he has left that I endorse BDR cones)

WTF?!

Must be a Canadian thing ...

Thanks for the clarification but I'll pass on the nutballers.

Erik

Posted on: 27 January 2002 by Dr. Exotica

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Hanson:
Not under the CD player. It stole all of its life, and the bass virtually disappeared. However, under the pre-amp the BDR cones were great. As Vuk said, though, their improvements can be had with a simple ball-nut configuration. The only reason I use mine is because I have them, but I'll probably sell them at some point.

Interesting.

This is something that I am quite far from understanding - why would something of this sort (either BDRs or Vuk's ball-nutters) behave in this manner? We have three different opinions on the matter:

they work under a CD player, or
they do not work directly under a CD player, yet work under a pre-amp, or
they do not work directly under either and only work under the MDF shelf itself.

I wish there was a little less non-determinism to this subject...

The obvious solution seems to be to build some of Vuk's ball-nutter things and try each option. The only downside is the $1 investment ...

Erik

Posted on: 27 January 2002 by Mike Sae

quote:
Must be a Canadian thing ...

Oi! I resent that blanket statement!

Speaking of blankets:

How's the weather in Socal?

Posted on: 27 January 2002 by Mike Sae

By all means try the ballnutters, but my magic
8Ball thinks you'll find your present rack (when it's all together) to be a much better solution.

Here's an anecdote I posted under an old topic titled "most embarassing tweaks":

quote:
It'd have to be the multiple layers of ballnutters and MDF boards under all my components. Had this for about a year. If I even looked at my stereo the wrong way, dozens of ball bearings would go flying all over the carpet.
Having to explain my anoraky to friends was a bit embarrassing.
One day, my dealer comes by to check on everything when I complained my system was sounding rather soft and pillowy. He sees this arrangement with a look on his face like "WTF?". After removing all the ballnutters 'n boards, Bang! congestion gone.
Looked like a bit of an ass that day.

Now, I don't know if it was the size of the balls, size of the nuts, thickness of the MDF or the thickness of my skull, but I (and my dealer) found the MDF/Ballnutter arrangement really killed the sound.

I seem to be in the minority though, as some have described positive effects. A worthwhile experiment nonetheless.

cheers

mike

Posted on: 27 January 2002 by king

I suggest you look at your system as a whole, including the rack structure and material used.
IMHO, BDR and BallNutter gives a fast and forward sounding on it's own. If you use it with wood or MDF, it'll balance it up but dependant on the thickness and hardness of the wood used........

I have tries BDR on marble shelves, the sound is so hard that it hurts your ears.

Tjis is the art of the balancing the Yin and Yang.