Chav wedding

Read all about it, read all about it.
Vicki Pollard get married! Local mant threatens to leave the country.

And the chav priest basically declared them, like, man and wife, know what I mean?

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Originally posted by Roy T:
Read all about it, read all about it.
Vicki Pollard get married! Local mant threatens to leave the country.

LOL

Was Bernie Ecclestone (Lord Of The Chavs) a guest at this wedding.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beano:
Was Bernie Ecclestone (Lord Of The Chavs) a guest at this wedding.

Is that Bernie Ecclestone or Terry Christian the Mancunian tv presenter?

Suppose that Wayne Rooney ever ties the knot:

"Do you Wayne take this chav to be, etc, etc......>"

G

Definitely Ecclestone, though Terry Christian could be the love child, as I can spot a slight resemblance.

Chav bride: So wot you looking at mate?

Registrar: I am the registrar miss.

Chav bride: You wot?

Registrar: I am the registrar, I am performing the wedding ceremony.

Chav bride: Well get on wiv it you nonce.

>>A Chav girl goes to the council to register for child benefit.
>>"How many children?" asks the council worker.
>>"10" replies the Chav girl
>>"10?" says the council worker. "What are their names?"
>>"Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne and
>>Wayne"
>>"Doesn't that get confusing?"
>>"Naah..." says the Chav girl "its great because if they are out
>>playing in the street I just have to shout WAAYNE, YER DINNER'S READY,
>>or
>>WAYNE GO TO BED NOW and they all do it..."
>>"What if you want to speak to one individually?" says the perturbed
>>council worker.
>>"That's easy," says the Chav girl... "I just use their surnames"

If they are that young, then I expect they are the product of their parents and have yet to find their own minds. Rather than slag them off, why not wish them well and hope that they can move away from their (apparent) current circumstances and have a good life together. We know nothing of them, so who are we to judge. Just wish the best for them, eh?! whoever they are.

EW, ever read Dr Seuss? He wrote a little story about a mother with 23 sons, and they were all called Dave.

Rasher. Quite right. Of course.

Rasher

I saw the original post and went away to think about it. Many of the contributors here are quick to say "judge not", but apparently when it comes to chavs it is open season. Where do we draw the line between compassion and ridicule? Perhaps those that posted "up the tree" would comment.

Cheers
Jim


Cheers
Jim

Well all joking aside they were about 18 I guess but it is hard to tell. The bride was very skinny and had that sad heroine addict look about her. I did wish them well but I also thought about how small their chances are. Of course they are a product of their parents. I wondered how their children will fare. I don't have much hope for them. It is easy to see this as an economic problem but I know many poor people who remain well mannered, thoughtful and considerate. These poor souls are something else. They seem to breathe anger and violence.

I was sitting drinking a take away coffee and scoffing a doughnut and spent a good ten minutes watching the families and friends interact. Their ability to communicate and socialise was so poor that confrontation was the inevitable result to almost every interaction. I dont believe they have much respect for themselves and very little for anyone else.

Parents with drug habits teaching their children how to shoplift and worse is not uncommon these days. Last week on a bus an elderly gentleman very quitely and politely asked a group of girls to 'modify their language' as it was upsetting his wife. He was told to f*ck off in no uncertain terms and when a younger chap told them quite strongly to pipe down they threw open cans of beer at him. The police boarded the bus some stops later and the amount of abuse the police took shocked me to the core. They girls had no respect whatsoever. I am afraid all this is getting too common. I have been to some countries wallowing in crippling poverty but I have never seen behaviour like this. The public school attending children of friends of mine can not even play in the park that is directly in front of where they live for fear of being beaten up, mugged or offered drugs. Sometimes I am full of compassion for these people and other times I have little patience for them. Do they really not know right from wrong or do they simply not care? Was todays wedding party a genuinely happy affair? Given the body language and foul language on display I doubt it. It is very sad on the one hand and very worrying on the other.

Perhaps the thread could be retitled 'I despise poor people'. Bad manners, criminal tendencies, dysfunctional relationships and violence cuts across social class. A cursory examination of the behaviour of politicians of all parties or a public school rugby club, for example, easily confirms this.

Dear Malky,

I am sure you are correct. The attitude of respect knows no class - socio-economic, or however one tries to define it - and there are pleasant people oand unpleasant from every background.

This was always so, and there were always elements who, through conditioning, behaved utterly badly. Once these poor people - in the sense that it is they who suffer from a lack of training in social ettiquette - were once a minority. As a proportion it seems they constitute a higher proportion than ever before.

Or am I just turning into a grumpy old git?

Fredrik

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Or am I just turning into a grumpy old git?

Could be. Though from what you've posted you seem to have been grumpy for most of your life!

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I'm emigrating.

Please do.

Your first post is middle class (ahem) snobbery.

There have always been thugs, nothing new there. The piss taking out of so called chavs is nothing but middle class losers trying to feel good about themselves.

Peter

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Originally posted by JoeH:

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Or am I just turning into a grumpy old git?

Could be. Though from what you've posted you seem to have been grumpy for most of your life!

Dear Joe!

That is funny, because in real life I have a tremendous sense of fun, and it would be fair to say I bring smiles for everyone with me!

On the rare occasion that I am not up to being jolly I simply would not attempt to socialise in the first place...

So the realiity is different, but I am no optimist about social mores! Somehow this Forum brings out the serious side in me...

Fredrik

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Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:

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Originally posted by JoeH:

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Or am I just turning into a grumpy old git?

Could be. Though from what you've posted you seem to have been grumpy for most of your life!

Dear Joe!

That is funny, because in real life I have a tremendous sense of fun, and it would be fair to say I bring smiles for everyone with me!

On the rare occasion that I am not up to being jolly I simply would not attempt to socialise in the first place...

So the realiity is different, but I am no optimist about social mores! Somehow this Forum brings out the serious side in me...

I've gradually got less serious about stuff as I've got older. I reached a peak of seriousness age 35 or so, and have become ever more frivolous since then.

One of my mother's favourite sayings (she had dozens of them) was 'You die if you worry, you die if you don't, so why worry?' which is not a bad philosophy. My father could be a grumpy old sod, though, and I'm trying my level best not to go the same way!

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Originally posted by CPeter:
There have always been thugs, nothing new there. The piss taking out of so called chavs is nothing but middle class losers trying to feel good about themselves.

Peter

I often spend friday and saturday nights dealing with drunks spoiling for a fight. If I was to spell out a demographic for these people I would have to say that most are late teens and early to mid twenties. In other words kids with too much testosterone and not enough self control. Social class doesn't really come into it, although I would suspect that the worst offendors, people who are fundamentally vicious are more likely to have had a hard life, which tends to coincide with poverty, parental addiction or drug or alcohol abuse and large families. All things we tend to associate more closely with working class families but maybe unfairly. The one thing I can say with all confidence though is that the most vicious, sadistic thugs are almost invariably the ones you would least expect. So be on your guard if you come up against a guy in a burberry baseball cap but be really careful around the small, well spoken, conservatively dressed types. Rermember it's not working class footballers who get banned for stamping, biting, gouging and head butting, it's ex-public school rugby union players

I think a lot of the trouble is that television and the media are rampant over chav celebrity - a new series of Big Brother, those cheap womens magazines at supermarket checkouts all about...err...big brother contestants with their tits out in stretched limos. Rather than encouraging people to better themselves, they promote gutter behaviour as being the way of successful people - they say it's okay to be a foul mouthed yob. Unfortunately some people have so little exposure to a chance that they just cling onto an excuse for staying as they are, then they of course realise too late that they are doomed to a life of poverty and hopelessness. All they have are fags & drugs. The media aren't interested, but they will continue to tell the kids that chav celebrity is "success"; the kids believe it and don't listen to the plea of their parents to not end up like them.
I blame dumb chav TV & chav media for it all - which goes straight into the brains of the young impressionable. I try not to blame the unfortunate sods, I blame the manipulators. Davina McCall (Chav queen crown taken from Cilla) should be made to sit through a long documentary of the consequences of promoting gutter behaviour and the misery and social problems that inevitably follow.
We should all make a stand and reject reality TV programmes and expose them for what they are.
Ever realised that Big Brother actually is manipulation of a socio-economic group in the Big Brother sense? Joking aside, it is keeping these vitims of society down where they belong - with no hope, by saying it's okay and promoting this lifestyle.
I didn't mean to wag my finger at you Erik, because I feel defeated by it too most of the time myself. I'm the biggest hypocrite of all, and I know it.
I agree that thuggery from different economic groups is very common, and operates on multiple levels too, but that is maybe a different subject from the one started here, although absolutely correct to mention it.

Im afraid that anyone who can afford the kind of hi-fi that brought you here, is unlikely to have any idea of what it is like to live in poverty in the UK today. That includes me, although a lot of my daily clients tell me about it.

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Originally posted by Malky:
Perhaps the thread could be retitled 'I despise poor people'. Bad manners, criminal tendencies, dysfunctional relationships and violence cuts across social class. A cursory examination of the behaviour of politicians of all parties or a public school rugby club, for example, easily confirms this.

Please read my post directly before your post. I do not despise poor people and never have. No this thread should not be retitled.

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Originally posted by Rockingdoc:
Im afraid that anyone who can afford the kind of hi-fi that brought you here, is unlikely to have any idea of what it is like to live in poverty in the UK today. That includes me, although a lot of my daily clients tell me about it.

Many people experience differing financial circumstances over a lifetime. I have. I have been totally broke. More than you might imagine. I didn't go around selling drugs, shoplifting or mugging kids for their mobile phones though.

Empathy.