Chav wedding

Posted by: erik scothron on 18 May 2006

Seen today outside my local registry office. The bridegroom wore a light grey ill-fitting suit, black shirt, white tie with enormous knot, grey shoes and white socks. The bride wore white - a white tracksuit, white pumps. Both looked about 16 years old. Both lit up on exiting the registry office as did their respective parents and friends. Someone organised them all to stand in a group while they took turns to photgraph the happy couple with......their mobile phones. Where will it all end? I'm emigrating.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Malky
Whether intentioned or not, the act of labelling people is to denigrate and stereoptype. What may have begun as a joke on the Harry Enfield show has become a vehicle to bash the poorer elements in society. This is not to be po-faced. Someone with the skill of, say Armando Ianucci, Steve Coogan or Chris Morris, can apply their scalpel to the most sensitive areas without descending into elitism.
Erik, I am not accusing you of anything, merely pointing out how terms such as 'chav' can come to be used by some people to express their snobbery and blame poor people for being poor.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by JWM
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Originally posted by AlexanderVH:
..the chav priest...


Apart from the fact this was a registry office, I have to say I have yet to meet a 'chav priest' and I'm in the trade.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by CPeter:
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I'm emigrating.


Please do.

Your first post is middle class (ahem) snobbery.

There have always been thugs, nothing new there. The piss taking out of so called chavs is nothing but middle class losers trying to feel good about themselves.

Peter


I am emigrating. This country is not a fit place to bring up children. As for middle class snobbery - bollocks - this has nothing to do with class - there are millions of decent law abiding, hard working people of low income (working class if you like) who despise chavs. Others who have posted here have correctly pointed out that bad behaviour cuts across all social boundaries. There are millions of working class people who would not dream of turning up as a guest to a wedding in a tracksuit (much less as the bride). Take a quick glance at what was meant as light humour and call it middle class snobbery if you like but you have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
Whether intentioned or not, the act of labelling people is to denigrate and stereoptype. What may have begun as a joke on the Harry Enfield show has become a vehicle to bash the poorer elements in society. This is not to be po-faced. Someone with the skill of, say Armando Ianucci, Steve Coogan or Chris Morris, can apply their scalpel to the most sensitive areas without descending into elitism.
Erik, I am not accusing you of anything, merely pointing out how terms such as 'chav' can come to be used by some people to express their snobbery and blame poor people for being poor.


Well call me naive but never in my wildest imaginings did I expect anyone to say that an 'attack' on poor taste and bad behaviour is an 'attack' on poor people.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by JWM:
quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderVH:
..the chav priest...


Apart from the fact this was a registry office, I have to say I have yet to meet a 'chav priest' and I'm in the trade.


LOL - give it time, its just a matter of time.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Rasher
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Originally posted by JWM:
Apart from the fact this was a registry office, I have to say I have yet to meet a 'chav priest' and I'm in the trade.

Big Grin That did make me laugh. You've got to admit though JWM, it's a lovely image.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Rasher:
I think a lot of the trouble is that television and the media are rampant over chav celebrity - a new series of Big Brother, those cheap womens magazines at supermarket checkouts all about...err...big brother contestants with their tits out in stretched limos. Rather than encouraging people to better themselves, they promote gutter behaviour as being the way of successful people - they say it's okay to be a foul mouthed yob. Unfortunately some people have so little exposure to a chance that they just cling onto an excuse for staying as they are, then they of course realise too late that they are doomed to a life of poverty and hopelessness. All they have are fags & drugs. The media aren't interested, but they will continue to tell the kids that chav celebrity is "success"; the kids believe it and don't listen to the plea of their parents to not end up like them.
I blame dumb chav TV & chav media for it all - which goes straight into the brains of the young impressionable. I try not to blame the unfortunate sods, I blame the manipulators. Davina McCall (Chav queen crown taken from Cilla) should be made to sit through a long documentary of the consequences of promoting gutter behaviour and the misery and social problems that inevitably follow.
We should all make a stand and reject reality TV programmes and expose them for what they are.
Ever realised that Big Brother actually is manipulation of a socio-economic group in the Big Brother sense? Joking aside, it is keeping these vitims of society down where they belong - with no hope, by saying it's okay and promoting this lifestyle.
I didn't mean to wag my finger at you Erik, because I feel defeated by it too most of the time myself. I'm the biggest hypocrite of all, and I know it.
I agree that thuggery from different economic groups is very common, and operates on multiple levels too, but that is maybe a different subject from the one started here, although absolutely correct to mention it.


I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say. I despair of this 'culture'. It is growing worse year by year and it is wrecking our country which is the laughing stock of the civilised world. As a nation we have come to be defined by our yob culture.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Malky
As a nation, haven't we come to be defined by our leader's slavish devotion to George?, helping him throw his weight around the world. Unparalled yobbish behaviour.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Rasher
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
As a nation, haven't we come to be defined by our leader's slavish devotion to George?

For a moment there I thought you mean't clothes by Asda.
Bush & Blair isn't yobbish behaviour Malky. That is calculated manipulation of the truth for world domination, which is probably in a different league.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Malky
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rasher
For a moment there I thought you mean't clothes by Asda.
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Nice one.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by CPeter
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Well call me naive


The first sensible thing you've said on this thread

Peter
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by JWM
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
quote:
Originally posted by JWM:
Apart from the fact this was a registry office, I have to say I have yet to meet a 'chav priest' and I'm in the trade.

Big Grin That did make me laugh. You've got to admit though JWM, it's a lovely image.


Agreed! James Big Grin
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by CPeter:
quote:
Well call me naive


The first sensible thing you've said on this thread

Peter


Can you read?
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
As a nation, haven't we come to be defined by our leader's slavish devotion to George?

For a moment there I thought you mean't clothes by Asda.
Bush & Blair isn't yobbish behaviour Malky. That is calculated manipulation of the truth for world domination, which is probably in a different league.


Yea, and they are both Christians Eek
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Malky
Nevertheless, both preach to the lower orders to behave themselves, hypocritically condemn perpetrators of crime and shed crocodile tears over its victims, whist engaging in violence on a scale most yobs could never imagine.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
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Originally posted by Malky:
Nevertheless, both preach to the lower orders to behave themselves, hypocritically condemn perpetrators of crime and shed crocodile tears over its victims, whist engaging in violence on a scale most yobs could never imagine.


Yes, I agree, (although I doubt either Bush or Blair have lower orders). I believe history will judge Bush especially harshly and rightly so imo. His stock is waning by the day and I sincerely hope he will be gone by this time next year if not sooner.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by Malky
[QUOTE]Originally posted by erik scothron:
I believe history will judge Bush especially harshly and rightly so imo. His stock is waning by the day and I sincerely hope he will be gone by this time next year if not sooner.
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As is Tony's.The man who had aspirations to be remembered as on a par with Churchill will be remembered, in most people's minds, as a figure more on a par with Richard Nixon.
Posted on: 19 May 2006 by erik scothron
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by erik scothron:
I believe history will judge Bush especially harshly and rightly so imo. His stock is waning by the day and I sincerely hope he will be gone by this time next year if not sooner.
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As is Tony's.The man who had aspirations to be remembered as on a par with Churchill will be remembered, in most people's minds, as a figure more on a par with Richard Nixon.


Yes, what an odious, manipulative, ambitious little toady he is . Just watch him get his snout in the trough when he leaves Downing street (if your stomach is strong enough - I doubt mine is).
Posted on: 20 May 2006 by Martin Payne
I've just finished reading a SciFi book written in 1970, which (in part) describes how society 30 years in the future has broken down.

You guys make it sound like the author was about six years early in his diagnosis.

Perhaps I just have to feel lucky in the areas I live & work?

cheers, Martin