HDX - Simple questions

Posted by: steve turner on 22 September 2009

Hi,

I've never owned a decent hi-fi despite my love of music, so after sitting down and deciding want I wanted and speaking to like a hundred different shops, last may I finally found a guy who knew his stuff.

I ended up with:

Naim nac282
Naim nap 250
Naim HDX
Totem Forest

The combination (after listening to 500 hours of music with different speakers) I thought was mind blowing.

That was last May and I'm still like a kid in a sweet shop every time I listen to it.

But me being me, left it at that rather than follow the latest goings on.

Now I've read there's software updates ?? and maybe an application for the iphone, which is great since I hate windows with a passion and love Apple.

So being a bit in the dark, should my dealer have informed me of a software upgrade, and does does anyone know when they'll release a program compatible with Mac?
Also I take it when pointing the remote control at the latest version, it actually works ?

Sorry for asking such simple questions to a clever bunch of guys and girls.

Naim does really make me feel proud to be British, which these days is rare.

PS - I know nothing about music but really the combination of Naim and Totem I'll talk about till my dying days.
Posted on: 22 September 2009 by Klout10
Hi Steve,

Welcome aboard and congratulations on your new sytem. It must sound absolutely fantastic!

Regarding the HDX: go to the system menu > system status and look for the "Overall Version". Current version is 1.4b sp10.

On this forum, a lot of talk is about the new software update 1.4d which should be available via your retailer within 3-4 weeks from now.

This update will include the following:
1. Rip 2 NAS (rips to local hard drive then transfers to NAS once rip complete)
2. manual setup of share lcoation possible
3. playlist increased to 500 items
4. ability to move albums from local to NAS and back again
5. various improvement to Front Panel/TV/Web interface User Interface - manage music, assign genre, rename artist, search by letter, etc
6. Native 192KHz playback
7. FLAC decoder updated
8. music on local hard drive now exposed as a shared folder (read only)
9. ability to force a re-scan of drives
10. update of Desk Top Client

The update which enables ipod control will be released shortly afterwards.

Furthermore, when the HDX was introduced, the posibility for Internet Radio is mentioned, but no release date is planned so far...

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 23 September 2009 by JBGood
Steve,
Glad you are loving your system. How do you like your HDX? Any regrets?

I too, am an extremely happy Naim-Totem user. I think the combination is terrific. Each speaker in the Totem line has a different personality. How did you choose the Forest?

Regards,

-- JBgood
Posted on: 23 September 2009 by steve turner
Hi guys thanks very much,

Yes my version is 1.4B sp6 so I'll be having words tomorrow.

Thanks for the heads up Michel, I will visit this forum more often, it's quite interesting.

No regrets what so ever from the HDX, to me the sound quality is unbelievable, God knows what the super expensive stuff sounds like. There's so many tracks and albums I've listened to again that I can hear so much more detail, things I've never heard before.

I bought a powerline, £400 I thought was a bit steep but I guess it's added depth, I'm wondering whether to buy two more eventually for my amp and pre-amp, any ideas?

The guy who sold me the system told me Totem was the perfect match for Naim, since they sold virtually every speaker going I listened to loads and agreed they were a class apart. My only reservation was whether the bass would be enough for the room.
Errrr no such problems there, fantastic and not that kind of over bearing , artificial bass you get with other brands.
Posted on: 23 September 2009 by winkyincanada
Welcome to the forum. It can indeed be an interesting place.

That looks a very classy system and must sound great.

Any chance you could post some pics of your room and setup? There are a couple of long-standing threads just for those purposes.
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by steve turner
Really, where are the threads for these?

Just ordered a highline, £550 seems a bit much but told makes a huge difference.
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by gone
Try here for the System Pix thread, and enjoy.
A HiLine will make a good difference to your system, which is a nicely balanced one IMO. If you want to add another Powerline, I have found they make more difference the nearer the source you go, so the power supply (which one do you have?) for the 282 would be next.
As an aside, I would be interested to know which would make the next biggest upgrade - an XPS2 or a DAC for your HDX
Cheers
John
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by Klout10
quote:
Originally posted by steve turner:
Yes my version is 1.4B sp6 so I'll be having words tomorrow.


I'm not sure, but I thought sp10 provided more stability in case the unit is powered down while not in standby mode. Because it's only about 3-4 weeks for the newest update to arrive, I think you'd better go for 1.4D in one go...

I'm interested to hear what your dealer told you...

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by nocker
quote:
Originally posted by Klout10:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by steve turner:
Yes my version is 1.4B sp6 so I'll be having words tomorrow.


My HDX was also on an earlier sp, my dealer did not know of any updates. Keep an eye on the forum it will be advise when the next update is released (due in November)
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by gary1 (US)
One should not have to be a forum member to be notified of updtaes to the HDX.

As I've said many time before, Naim should be keeping a database on file and notifying customers when an update is available. At that point you can then contact the dealer from whom you've purchased the HDX to obtain the update and the instructions for installation.
Posted on: 24 September 2009 by gary1 (US)
quote:
Originally posted by AllenB:
For once I totally agree with you Gary Eek


Oh Happy Days!! Big Grin
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by nocker
quote:
Originally posted by AllenB:
quote:
Originally posted by gary1 (US):
One should not have to be a forum member to be notified of updtaes to the HDX.

As I've said many time before, Naim should be keeping a database on file and notifying customers when an update is available. At that point you can then contact the dealer from whom you've purchased the HDX to obtain the update and the instructions for installation.


For once I totally agree with you Gary Eek


I agree with you also Gary, i was just stating my experience!!
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by Klout10
quote:
Originally posted by gary1 (US):
One should not have to be a forum member to be notified of updtaes to the HDX.

As I've said many time before, Naim should be keeping a database on file and notifying customers when an update is available. At that point you can then contact the dealer from whom you've purchased the HDX to obtain the update and the instructions for installation.


I like the idea of a database, but maybe it's better to keep it at dealer or distributor level. Furthermore, what to do if one buys a unit second hand? Not that I've came across one though...

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by QTT
Why make things so complicated? It should be downloadable from the official Naim web site.
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by Klout10
That's even better!

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by BernardG
Each HDX should be registered with Naim for Warranty Purposes. So Naim should know who the owner /end user is for each HDX unit. Therefore Naim could inform each user, say via email to contact their dealer for the upgrade. - SORTED.

Better still Naim make available the upgrade from an FTP site and if it the upgrade goes wrong, contact the dealer for support.

If the HDX unit is 2nd user then Naim should be informed so that update information can be provided.

Once on the track of upgradeable software, then the manufacturer should provide the ability for the competent user to do the upgrade or call in the services of a "professional."

Also I see no reason why Naim shouldn't charge for the software providing it provides additional functionality and is not just a software patch fix.
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by gary1 (US)
The problem with the end user download is that if there are problems who is responsible and who bears the cost if the unit needs re=programming etc...?

However, it is easy to register the unit number with Naim regardless of first hand or second hand , the only issue then becomes over warranty.

As I said someone who purchases an HDX, Uniti or anything else in the future should not require a dealer to notify them of an upgrade, it should be Naim's resposibility. What if the dealer goes under?

All the owner is required to do is register via email, etc... the unit number with Naim and provide an address for communication.

I'm sure that many HDX owners do not participate in this forum, they are the sane ones. Luckily my dealer is attuned to the issues, but obviously many dealers are not to the detriment of their customers.

At the minimum Naim should be notifying the dealers who can alert their customers, but there is no guarantee. If not then they should not be allowed to carry the brand-simple.
Posted on: 25 September 2009 by BernardG
Hence

"Once on the track of upgradeable software, then the manufacturer should provide the ability for the competent user to do the upgrade or call in the services of a "professional." "

If the upgrade doesn't work properly or if the software becomes corrupted it's back to Naim anyway.

Also if too many units go wrong then Naim will have to weigh up the Pros and Cons of selling devices that are software upgradeable.

In the meantime there is a nice little living to be earn't by the Naim dealers doing the upgrade.
Posted on: 26 September 2009 by SC
Why this is over-complicated I still do not understand... Confused

Regardless of being a Naim black box, at the end of the day we are dealing with a computer & software - why like any other modern day computer and OS it cannot regularly check and download relevant updates for itself just baffles me...I have 7 Macs running throughout my home & office and I've hardly ever had to manually search for updates, or rely on a 'dealer', whether it be the OS, Adobe suites, whatever - the first I often know of a update is being confronted with a notification and asking do I want to install at this time...

It's not rocket science....

And this talk of 'protectionism' and dealers only being responsible for upgrades just cracks me up...Wake up, we're approaching 2010 !! One could argue if there is fear of an update screwing up the HDX and it's OS, it shouldn't be out there for release...At the end of the day the HDX is a relatively 'locked' machine, it's not as if 3rd party software is being installed on there or there is the likelihood of software conflicts - there's really not too much that a end-user can do to screw it up (unless they have gone in the back door, and if so then responsibility lays with the user).

The other Achilles heel of this approach is when the user lives outside Europe/US...I've written at length about this before. A certain amount of arrogance abounds that every Naim user is close to fine/quality dealers...Trust me, I've been there and lived it - if I had bought the HDX whilst I was living in Thailand, I would have been on my own with it.....

Fair enough, not all folk are 'comfortable' around computers, but I really do think if it's implemented correctly that, in this day and age, most people can read a dialogue box and click OK to confirm installation...

And charging ? Are you crazy ? Folk have already paid £4.5k. It could - and has - been argued a lot of the features apparently coming in the next update should have been there in the FIRST place..! There would be a good case for users charging Naim for the wait - wasn't it first promised for April ??

Come on, this should be a lot simpler overall. It should ideally be a automatic download from a server (The HDX OS checking back to base say once a month) or if Naim really do want to go manual on the whole thing, then a email register as suggested, at the very least - you could still have a prompt delivered to the HDX screen when updates are available informing the user who then has to email or contact Naim to receive the update file...

As I've said before, as the audio world moves into computers 'bit by bit' ( Winker) it really is going to have to get a lot sharper on some fronts....It's sometimes no wonder 'younger generations' are staying away from the audiophile world !

Steve.
Posted on: 26 September 2009 by steve turner
My power supply is the Hi-Cap.

I spoke to the dealer and he's moved to another branch, this branch doesn't deal with the HDX. He apologised and had one sent straight out.

He said they would be able to demo the Dac on my system this month and would make a huge difference, I have to read much about this before even demoing it. As someone who is new to audophile systems it can all get a little confusing, still gaining knowledge is always good.

As for the software upgrade:

There is abosolutely no excuse from either Naim or the dealer for not making sure that who ever buys the HDX gets informed of the next upgrade. A simple email from both explaining such, can ensure the person is informed and they can call either Naim or the dealer.

I don't know how big the file is for the software upgrade but surely it's possible to make it available online.

Steve
Posted on: 26 September 2009 by Klout10
Does anybody of you came across this link?

http://www.naimnet.com/userfiles/software-downloads/

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 26 September 2009 by gary1 (US)
There are two issues:

1. Notification-- addressed ad nauseum

2. Installing the software upgrade.

Naim must have a reason for wanting these done with a hard copy (CD) as opposed to a downloadable upgrade. Not sure why, but I would think that an alert telling you an upgrade is available and then directing you to download this would work quite well and easy.

I don't know if it's concern of data corruption on the HDX or the possibility of user error and then responsibility for repair??

What do you mean charge for installing the upgrade? C'mon, if your dealer is not aware of what's going on with Naim products or is pulling this ---- then you should notify Naim about this.