Support tables
Posted by: Mick P on 05 October 2002
Chaps
I have been away on business for the last couple of days and when I got home, I had a parcel which contained a Townsend s/sink table which I bought secondhand.
These tables come in different sizes to accomodate the weight of the black box which is plonked on them. The one I ordered was the smallest one which accomodates items up to 8 kilograms in weight.
Tony from Hifi choice forum brought a similar table with him just for demonstration purposes and it made a useful improvement when placed under my CDS11 which is housed on a Hutter rack.
The CDS11 is right up to the 8 kilo limit, so I tried the Townshend under the CD3.5 which is on top of a Mana Soundframe which in turn is on top of a Sound Organisation table. The CD3.5 is much lighter in weight.
So I removed the Mana and replaced it with the Townshend and the difference in sound was enormous. The Townshend has made everything better and more natural sounding by a massive degree. The system is so much more listenable than before.
My two sons were in the house at the time and both of them said it was damn good and agreed it trashed the Mana. It certainly looks a lot better.
I shall buy a larger version for the CDS11 when I come back from holiday.
If anyone wants a Mana soundframe, make me an offer, but I fly out Thursday, so be quick.
Regards
Mick
I have been away on business for the last couple of days and when I got home, I had a parcel which contained a Townsend s/sink table which I bought secondhand.
These tables come in different sizes to accomodate the weight of the black box which is plonked on them. The one I ordered was the smallest one which accomodates items up to 8 kilograms in weight.
Tony from Hifi choice forum brought a similar table with him just for demonstration purposes and it made a useful improvement when placed under my CDS11 which is housed on a Hutter rack.
The CDS11 is right up to the 8 kilo limit, so I tried the Townshend under the CD3.5 which is on top of a Mana Soundframe which in turn is on top of a Sound Organisation table. The CD3.5 is much lighter in weight.
So I removed the Mana and replaced it with the Townshend and the difference in sound was enormous. The Townshend has made everything better and more natural sounding by a massive degree. The system is so much more listenable than before.
My two sons were in the house at the time and both of them said it was damn good and agreed it trashed the Mana. It certainly looks a lot better.
I shall buy a larger version for the CDS11 when I come back from holiday.
If anyone wants a Mana soundframe, make me an offer, but I fly out Thursday, so be quick.
Regards
Mick
I have been told many times by many people that when some of the guys at Naim were moving away from Mana and towards Hutter one of the reasons given was the glass shelving of Mana.
If this is not the case I am happy as always to stand corrected.
Alex
PS Shame about the last 5 mins of last night's game
If this is not the case I am happy as always to stand corrected.
Alex
PS Shame about the last 5 mins of last night's game
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I think the original anti-glass thing came from NANA, not Salisbury. Mr S. himself was a Mana user 'till the advent of the Fraim
As far as I can recall Mr S used many racks but before the Fraim used Projekt and Hutter.
But does it matter?
ps. Marco - you can't believe how much I am pissing myself laughing everytime james posts right now.
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This should not be turned into an anti-mana thread. We still tell people to use it/audition it with others!
I agree lets keep it clean.
In fact James, you'd be delighted to know that I have reconverted to the dark side and have a whole collection Mana stands (Phase 4 under LP12, Phase 2 Under CDS2 and 8 tier amp rack).
I think they are better than the Projekt stands I used to have. The most important thing I have noticed is better PRaT and dynamics but I am still waiting for the musical "flow" to arrive this is where I feel it's a bit lacking to the Projekt but hopefuly as the equipment and stands settle down (I have recently moved) this will arrive.
regards, Dev
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Or at least some chips under your mana!
James,
Give this a go. I've got some chips under my Mana (mainly protect my floor) but I did a A/B with the Linn table and I thought it was a bit better -mainly in the bass. I've also got them under the speakers which helps them and the floor.
friendly, helpful dev
james said
I think, James, you have touched on a very important variable that influences the final sound. I've got a largish room too 18' x 15' with a 12' ceiling and I was very surprised at how 'large' the system sounded in this room. n particular I was surprised at how high ceilings affect the sound in a very positive way. Big rooms (especially ones that are underdamped) need driving though and I suppose I am prime candidate for a bigger amp.
Marco said
Absolutely. For me that something very special is very hard to desribe, everyone has their own view about that magical sound, but the way a Naim system (including the speakers!) portrays the music, with that fantastic rhythm and emotion is just out of this world. I listen to all sorts of music and I need something that gives me the slam of Grooverider's Drum and Bass, with the deftness of Dave Holland's bass along with the beauty of Imrat Khans sitar playing. Most other make systems (especially other speakers) I've heard tend to do only one of the styles right (i.e Grooverider sounds slamming but Dave Hollands double bass sounds broken). regards, dev
ps. one of the best systems for slamm I have heard is the system in Room 2 of Fabric (the super-club in London) I was there on Friday and my ears have just stopped ringing.
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I think I'm lucky with my room which is about 28' x 20'(into bay window) with a 13' ceiling
I think, James, you have touched on a very important variable that influences the final sound. I've got a largish room too 18' x 15' with a 12' ceiling and I was very surprised at how 'large' the system sounded in this room. n particular I was surprised at how high ceilings affect the sound in a very positive way. Big rooms (especially ones that are underdamped) need driving though and I suppose I am prime candidate for a bigger amp.
Marco said
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listening to a good hi-fi system should be an emotive experience, and when you're lucky enough to own one that connects you to the music on an emotional as well as physical level; that's something very special indeed.
Absolutely. For me that something very special is very hard to desribe, everyone has their own view about that magical sound, but the way a Naim system (including the speakers!) portrays the music, with that fantastic rhythm and emotion is just out of this world. I listen to all sorts of music and I need something that gives me the slam of Grooverider's Drum and Bass, with the deftness of Dave Holland's bass along with the beauty of Imrat Khans sitar playing. Most other make systems (especially other speakers) I've heard tend to do only one of the styles right (i.e Grooverider sounds slamming but Dave Hollands double bass sounds broken). regards, dev
ps. one of the best systems for slamm I have heard is the system in Room 2 of Fabric (the super-club in London) I was there on Friday and my ears have just stopped ringing.