Two examples of questionable musical judgements.

Posted by: George Fredrik on 07 November 2010

Years ago on Radio Three Jerold Northrop Moore described the famous recording of Elgar's Cello concerto by Jacqueline du Pre with Sir John Barbiroli as being characterised by "the oily slap of horse hair on steel string [of Miss du Pre's solo cello]," and considering JNM was at the time certainly not only the leading expert on Elgar, and also one of the most respected music critics of the composer's music, it was a moment to sit up and listen in amazement.

Another equally eccentric comment came concerning Haydn's D Major Cello Concerto, which we could well call Haydn's Cello concerto Number Two after the discovery in 1963 of the long lost [but known to have been catalogued by Haydn himself in the 1780s] C Major work, which Rostropovich did so much to bring before the public over the years. It is a gem.

This time it was the leading Haydn expert, Robbins Landon. His perceptions and ability to point out the great in Haydn's music has always seemed to me un-erring except for this description of Haydn's late Cello concerto, as being "a dull thread-bare little work."

Though I am not a cheer-leader for du Pre's recording of the Elgar, I think it is a splendid performance that I can understand why so many really love it, but the D Major Cello concerto is for me a wonderful and charming piece of music by Haydn. One of my favourites.

Would others perhaps like to post about musical opinions that seem way off beam from musical critics and experts whose views otherwise seem perceptive and accurate?

George
Posted on: 07 November 2010 by George Fredrik
Surely you can venture an example or two of dodgy musical judgments such as ROTF's not infrequently given view [sorry dear ROTF] that that drummer, Phil Collins cannot sing!

Another is Elgar's stated view of his near contemporary, Brahms, "That dull old stick ...."

Well apparently during his tenure as chief conductor of the newly formed LSO [formed 1904 or 1905] Elgar conducted some of the most visceral Brahms concerts heard in London according to the [then invariably] unnamed Times music critic.

So Elgar may have been being a bit of wag in presenting his view ...

ATB from George
Posted on: 07 November 2010 by George Fredrik
One might well venture the thought that "live" concert recording would have to wait another twenty or so years to catch Elgar conducting Brahms, and to verify this, but the Times critics were rarely wrong during the recorded era ...

ATB from George
Posted on: 07 November 2010 by Guido Fawkes
From Record Collector on PC's new album

There are singers of comparable age with less of a tendency to air their late career crises in the guise of Karoke. Collins, in common with both Stewart and Seal has come up with a set of slickly produced 60s soul covers of baffling irrelevance.

Of course, he had UK chart-topper with the Supremes' "You can't hurry love", but that gave the impression of a frivolous side-step at the peak of his world domination with Genesis. Here, an entire album of lifeless and soulless retreads of Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, The Four Tops and The Temptations comes across as the desperate act of a downfallen man.

By making his woeful reading of Goffin & King's yeteryear ballad the title track [Going Back], Collins may be attempting some kind of introspective justification for the whole sorry affair, but it just doesn't wash. What possible use could anyone have for weedy-voiced faded Xeroxes of songs readily available in their wondrously uplifting original form? 1/5


This is the best review he has received in ages and I don't know why the critics need to be so kind to this man, but there you go, George, I think RC has gone soft. How did he get the one star ... surely a star has to be earned.

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Over the years I never been bothered by what critics/reviewers say - it is after all subjective - anybody who knows me knows I don't like AOR music and just cannot abide P Collins, Sting and a whole host of similar pop people. In particular, I detest much of the modern day manufactured music and it is for that reason I have pre-ordered my copy of the remixed version of John Milton Cage Jr's 4′33″ which I sincerely hope will be this year's Christmas number one.

I'm really still in to the genuine bands who grew up together and played music from the heart just like in the sixties, which is why I proclaim Bring back the Monkees.

Now when my favourite band got a bad review they accepted it and simply made a nice song about the reviewer

Please click here to hear

and here are the lyrics in case PC wants to Karaoke it

Re: Our gig at Deptford Abyss
Who the hell does Jeff Dreadnought think he is?
Was he even there? (I ask myself)
Does he even care? (don’t kid yourself)
Wait ’til our PR men hear of this
It’s a bad review, we got a bad review …oh Lord
It’s a bad review – wotta we gonna do? …oh Lord
I can’t walk down the street ‘cos other groups I might meet, and they’ll smirk
Oh, it’s a rum old do, is a bad review …oh Lord
And my girlfriend’s fuming
You hacks don’t know where it’s at
You can’t appreciate the master of the Strat
Not that I’m concerned (‘course you’re not)
Your paper’s full of crap (‘course it is)
I only read the gig guide anyway
It’s a bad review, a b-b-b-bad review …oh Lord
We got a bad review, I can’t believe its true …oh Lord
Well I know what you look like, so don’t ever come near Stroud,
Page 32, it’s a bad review …oh Lord
My girlfriend’s fuming
OK – let’s go to chapel


ATB Rotf

PS - I like Sir Edward Elgar.

I remember the truly great writer Arthur Evelyn St. John Waugh in an interview

Interviewer: What if people criticise your work
EW: I think what an ass
Interviewer: What if people praise your work
EW: I think what an ass
Interviewer: What if people are indifferent to your work
EW: Surely that's the best anyone can hope for.
Posted on: 07 November 2010 by George Fredrik
Dear ROTF,

I did not say I liked Phil Collins, but did hope you might help me lick this thread off!

It's heavy work you know, kicking off a music thread with real content! I mean real in the sense of people daring to defy the received musical wisdom of the leading music critics!

Beecham observed that if there were to be created a Chair [professorship] of music criticism in England it better be an electric chair ...

ATB from George
Posted on: 07 November 2010 by Guido Fawkes
quote:
defy the received musical wisdom of the leading music critics!
Dear George

I mostly listen to folk and rock music and it differs from the classical sphere in that there is no received musical wisdom of the leading music critics. For me the studio recording from the original artist is nearly always definitive and then it's simply the task to find a good master and, if possible, vinyl copy - if no vinyl then a download or CD.

I like RC as most articles are written by enthusiasts of the artist under review - I love Keith Emerson's music and have no interest in somebody who doesn't critiquing him - however a true enthusiast may point me at a recording of which I knew not and that is valuable.

As my knowledge of classic musical is very limited - I used to rely on Gramophone for which recording to get, which reminds me I have a DVD set of the complete Gilbert & Sullivan to work my way through in the coming weeks.

I hope I helped, but don't know if I have - my knowledge of the classics is far too scant for me to argue the merits of recordings even of my favourite composer: Leoš Janáček.

ATB Rotf
Posted on: 07 November 2010 by George Fredrik
Here is a little jolt for you in a performance of Janacek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...pfYY&feature=related

Klemperer's musical logic introduces the music as you have surely never heard it played before - the strangely static opening leads to something far more significant than is usual in the music!

ATB from George

PS: It is certainly worth following the three parts from this link as the performence certainly developes to the end in a single inevitable and startling powerful trajectory.
Posted on: 08 November 2010 by mudwolf
on passe' rock singers why would Rod Stewart sing the old songs with his voice? I'm sure he needs to keep himself in his Bel Aire mansion in gold trimmed over the top jackets and white bucks.

Same with Sting, he was fun with his own works but I saw him on TV when he was doing 3 Penny Opera and it was incredibly wrong for him to attempt another's work. Only Collins song I ever liked was "Hold on" but not sure of the right title, was it "Something in the air? It was wonderfully spacey at that time.