Ipod not for Oldies

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Originally posted by Trevor:

Why could it not be as simple to use as it's design implies.

Because it's an Apple product.

Trevor you hit the nail on the head and it astounds me you did not see this piece of information before purchase.

AN IPOD ONLY WORKS WITH ITUNES. WITHOUT ITUNES AN IPOD DOES NOT WORK.

If this is not good for you, take it back and get an iRiver. Its a piece of shit but apparently you can drag and drop.

Cri me a river.

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apparently you can drag and drop

Gary, this term seems to have irked you somewhat.

Yes, you can drag and drop from itunes to an ipod. You're absolutely right.

Of course that's only after you've found the slightly muddled route so as to change the settings not to fully synch the ipod when it's hooked up. And that's after you've patiently waited for itunes to convert all the wma,wav and ogg files stored on the pc into something that will play on an apple product and that is in turn after having 'registered' with apple to be allowed to use the product you have just bought and that's after having to have added Itunes to the pc in the first place. And of course you can't do that with the photo files. For those, you have to leave itunes and 'drag and drop' in explorer. Go figure.

Clearly implying that simply clicking on one folder (of any type and format) in windows explorer and dragging it accross the screen to another was simpler and less time consuming was ill considered.

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Originally posted by garyi:

If this is not good for you, take it back and get an iRiver. Its a piece of shit but apparently you can drag and drop.

Hmmm. Haven't heard much good stuff about the Apple iPod and its reliability.

Maybe Apple = Raspberry.....?

i love my mac laptop. however, i rebelled and refuse to use itunes/ipod. f**k it!! and same to mp3. even my 19 year old son realizes mp3 = cat box.

pass!!!

Will be taking Ipod back to shop and getting an ordinary mp3 player. My understanding was that iTunes was just a program that you used to put stuff on the iPod not an all encompasing big brother iPod management program. All I wanted it for was to listen to audio books whilst I am travelling around at work as I am to lazy to read a book or the odd bit of music if I am really bored. As it is most of the book files are in mp3 format so they would need to be converted it iPod files in the first place rather than just working - more of an inconvenience. Can't complain to much as it was bought for me as a birthday present and I was the one that said that was what I wanted.
Wrong again.....

Trevor

Trevor, your Ipod can play MP3 files without converting them at all. Simply import them into Itunes and all will be well.

I use itunes to manage my 40Gb mp3 collection even though I DON'T have an ipod. It is a good piece of software. Give it a try and you might me surprised.

Ian

Deanne you arereading around on forums, all people ever do on forums is moan. If this were a basis for scientific study then yes everyone hates iPods.

However there are in excess of 70,000,000 of them out there, if lets say 1% were dogs that would look like a significant number. But not compared to the amount sold.

but hey if it allows you the dig go for it.

Jamie you really made installing itunes and dragging your content onto it sound like a real chore. You must love PCs. You do not Have to register an iPod, you can if you wish. Install iTunes, drag your MP3s onto it or insert CDs. Plug your ipod in and allow it to sync. Seems straight forward to me and many many many many millions of people agree.

You prefer drag and drop, and thats fine, with all the inherent issues of having to do your own conversions, very often with having to do your own tagging. And what software to use, and lets hope it tags automatically, and does it do album art? is it quicker to use than iTunes, as intuitive? Does it store music by artist/album. Did you mention to the masses here you have to do all this yourself, or just use itunes?

Two sides to every story. Drag and drop is only the last part to what can be a long drawn out affair. Me I prefer to simply drag MP3s from the web into iTunes or insert CDs and let it do the rest.

In my experience, using an iPod has been the definition of simplicity itself, even on PC platform. Yes, it will play MP3s directly and yes, audio books load just like music CDs. All it takes is a quick read of the information that came with the iPod, maybe going to the web site for FAQs and playing with the drop down menus. The default import mode is easily changed to MP3 or, my preference for music, Apple Lossless file format. Apple Lossless sounds way better than MP3 even at 320 Kbits/sec and well worth the extra hard drive space it takes up. IPods are the only player out there able to use Apple Lossless. Give it a chance.

Norman

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Originally posted by garyi:
Deanne you arereading around on forums, all people ever do on forums is moan. If this were a basis for scientific study then yes everyone hates iPods.

However there are in excess of 70,000,000 of them out there, if lets say 1% were dogs that would look like a significant number. But not compared to the amount sold.

but hey if it allows you the dig go for it.

garyi

You are right of course, and I was just having a dig. I was taken aback by the tone of your first post.

I don't want or need an iPod because, well, they sound like shit. Plus I really don't want to spend the same amount as the bloody iPod costs to get fancy plugs to jam in my ears. Expensive iPod comes with cheap earphones? Why is that?

Deane

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Originally posted by Trevor:
Am I getting to old for technology or is the Ipod the most irritating thing to copy a CD to.
The instructions tell you nothing and everything seems to have to go via iTunes even then it did not seem straight forward.
Why could it not be as simple to use as it's design implies.

Trevor

Trevor,

if you can set up naim hifi from it's manual a IPOD should present no problem at all for you.

open itunes
insert cd
itunes asks if you want to import cd (an by this time it has got the title from graceneotes database)
click yes



I can't say I like the way Itunes has gone into the video and music sales realm but if you don't click on the shop option it's a great piece of software.

You'd be mad to change it.


SJB

I don't understand why people insist iPods sound bad, but then I'm just a musician who records albums for an audiophile label based in Salisbury. (insert emoticon here)

I also don't understand why anyone would think it was complicated for "old folks" to set up or use ... I'm 53.

My iPod will play any format I drag to it within iTunes ... mp3 at any bit rate, AIFF, WAV, mono, whatever.

I love my 30g video iPod, sounds plenty good to me (hey, back in the old days, it was cassettes on a walkman), holds tons of music, can be used for photo dumps when I'm away from my home computer (no laptop), and, finally, I store my most vital Mac files on it as a remote backup hard drive.

All best,
Fred

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Expensive iPod comes with cheap earphones? Why is that?

Beacause you don't want to pay way to much for decent earphones that came with the ipod you don't like. I used to have a decent walkman (WM DD II) which came with crappy earphones as well. Meaning you're able to buy decent ones without having to trow away expensive headphones that came with the player.

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Expensive iPod comes with cheap earphones? Why is that?

Source first?

there are in excess of 70,000,000 of them out there

I wonder how many of them are still working?

I don't know bob, a device manufactured to these scales in 5 years is unprecedented.

It must be crap, just the mind drugs making people buy.

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Originally posted by garyi:

It must be crap, just the mind drugs making people buy.

The same mind-drugs that caused betamax to lose the videotape war?

Haha the old betamax should have won of course, however that is ancient history.

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Originally posted by bob mccluckie:
there are in excess of 70,000,000 of them out there

I wonder how many of them are still working?

Mine is - and it's easy to use. You just plug it in and it gets the music - doesn't sound as good as a full Naim system though, which is rather disappointing for a £100 item

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Originally posted by fred simon:
I love my 30g video iPod, sounds plenty good to me (hey, back in the old days, it was cassettes on a walkman), holds tons of music, can be used for photo dumps when I'm away from my home computer (no laptop), and, finally, I store my most vital Mac files on it as a remote backup hard drive.

All best,
Fred

Re: photo dump
Is this via a firewire cable from camera to iPod? And if so how fast is the transfer (say for a 512mb card's worth) and can you look at the files you have dumped to the iPod?

Thanks.

/dl

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Originally posted by David Legge:

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Originally posted by fred simon:
can be used for photo dumps when I'm away from my home computer (no laptop)

Re: photo dump
Is this via a firewire cable from camera to iPod? And if so how fast is the transfer (say for a 512mb card's worth) and can you look at the files you have dumped to the iPod?

It's a little dock Apple makes ($30USD) which is USB on the receiving end to plug the camera into, and the dock plugs directly into the iPod's port.

The dump is not fast, so for use literally in the field it's not ideal; I think it took 20-30 minutes for 1gb (or was that for 512mb? Sorry, can't remember, but the info is somewhere on the net, maybe on the Apple site). But with a 1gb card in my camera, and a spare 512mb card (shooting highest resolution JPGs), I can shoot plenty in the field before I'd have to even start thinking about dumping. So I just shoot all day, then off-load back at the hotel during down-time.

And, yes, once the dump is complete you can review your shots on the iPod, which is great. There are devices out there made specifically for photo dumps in the field, much faster and more frills, but they cost more than the iPod itself. And they don't play music or videos, nor can they store my vital Mac files as a backup.

Hope this helps,
Fred

Fred,
Thanks for that.

/dl

Recent news. 100 million iPods sold. Since you started this thread.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/09ipod.html

You may be right. I am sure there are not 100 million fans, since we own five of them in my family of four. We have more Naim pieces. But iPod is winning.

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Originally posted by Deane F:

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Originally posted by garyi:

It must be crap, just the mind drugs making people buy.

The same mind-drugs that caused betamax to lose the videotape war?

No, it was the video rental market picking up VHS as a standard that caused betamax to loose out. There was a great Lenny Henry gag at the time, 'Every house in my street has been broken into and had the video stolen, except me - I've got Betamax !!!!

I had a Sony C9, a truly fabulous machine, as long as you didn't want to hire the latest blockbuster.

But back to the thread, why does the word iPod bring out the Luddite is what I had always presumed to be an open minded, forward thinking group of people ? Maybe Luddite's just don't like music ......., or maybe anything mass market has to be bad in the Little Book of Lud. Now if only the iPod had been designed and marketed by an iconic firm in Salisbury, cost fifteen hundred pounds, and maybe even had a waiting list - perhaps that might endow the it with more appealto some members of this board. The expression contempt before investigation comes to mind.