Eek, me ears are bleedin'
Posted by: garyi on 30 July 2002
Ok, somewhat concerned. returned home today didn't appear to be any neighbours in so wound up the wick.
On the list:
Massive Attack: Blue Lines
Baby Mammouth: Seven up
David Bowie:Heathen
The hardware: CDi, 180, FC, 102, NAPSC, SBLs, standard naim cables.
All music via CD.
The Problem
Ear bleeding style treble. Especially Massive attack, I had to turn it off, no joke.
The cure
1 180? Common Gary you know this was the bad boy.
2 Standard naim cables ha! Anyone knows cables transform or kill a system.
3 CDi, that poor old thing, time to move on.
4 Its the naim sound Gary, you twat.
5 SBLs Gary, face it 'they' were right all along.
6 That'll teach you, you laminate floor laying turd.
7 Bad Kama, all them CDs were poor recordings, honest.
8 Get some sound bases for the SBLs.
9 You have fallen into the deadly world of vinyl, the LP12 has proven how poor the CD medium is and always will be.
10 Flat cap? Comon Gary you are into big box technology now, lose the slim line.
Ok, with them suggestions, and I hope more to come, what should I start out with?
I would respectfully ask this not turn into a stand wars, lets just assume I know Mana is the way forward and that ash is not. However I feel that there are elements in the system which can be cured cheaply before I spend a substatial amount of money on a stand, bearing in mind this one is only a few months old.
FWIW I havn't tried vinyl at a similar volume will report back in the near future on that.
Cheers Folks
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by John C
Garyi,
Charlton Heston.
John
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by garyi
You can bugger off an all John.
Just taken things apart, if Nick is right every one of my cables it he wrong way round.
Could be interesting if there is any basis in this cable shite.
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by garyi
git.
Have just performed surgery.
Will report back soon, I suppose I have to let it warm up first
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Posted on: 31 July 2002 by Thomas K
... or that the unplugging cleaned all the contacts.
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by garyi
Um, Feck all difference so far as I can tell.
I have fixed the problem though. I won't listen to Massive Attack again, instead when I feel the urge for them I will stick 'Couldn't stand the weather' on by SRV. OK Different music but at least its a decent recording!
he he.
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by garyi
That it is. I am sat here eating a hot dog because I ran out of time to do dinner, and all the girlfriend has said so far is that she preffered it where it was.
Oh well.
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by Phil Barry
Well, if installing the cables in the correct direction didn't cause an audible improvement, you've got your justification for a 250 - the 180 simply deosn't resolve enough.
Phil
[This message was edited by Phil Barry on THURSDAY 01 August 2002 at 14:27.]
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by Thomas K
If selling the Ash stand won't free the funds for Mana, simply sell your 180, buy Mana from the money, and use the Ash as a flower stand. I promise that with the remaining system the noise floor will drop to the centre of the earth and you will experience no sibilance WHAT-SO-EVER.
Thomas
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by garyi
Thomas this is indeed a worthy plan, but one which I shall not be following just yet.
Mabye I should just sell up and return to the CD3/92/90/credos of which I was fully happy.
snigger.
Posted on: 31 July 2002 by Rico
quote:
Who set that that lot up? Looks like a stir fry!
Brilliant, Ed! I guess that's appropriate for our very own celeb chef.
Gary - get rid of that "cheapo 6-way mains block". Mains is a fundamental thing, you're probably losing loads in there (does it have a nice little neon to totally f*#k up the power under pressure)... get yerself a Grahams Hydra, some Music Works (if you like what it does for you - although you might listen only to Wings from this moment forward
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), or get one of those maplins four-into-one plugs and stick the CDi, LP12, 180 and FC into it.
If you [i]must[i] do a box upgrade a supercap would be a wise move - you can then jump straight to a 52 later. Normally an 82 would be a smart step, but the FC would hamper it. You could biff the FC and 102 and get an 82 to run off the 180 - probably a good call.
HTH
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Posted on: 01 August 2002 by garyi
I never got round to it last night on account of the pub calling me for a pint, upon my return I had to listen to FSOL in preperation for their new album.
Anyhoo, I will remove the pulsar points tonight and post a new picture of the mess!
What I have done is colected all the mains cables and bunched them, these no longer go through the tidy holes in the ash but off the left side, only interconnects go through the holes.
All the cables are round the right way now, snigger.
Will have another listen when I get home.
Posted on: 01 August 2002 by Andrew L. Weekes
Gary,
I vote for: -
6 That'll teach you, you laminate floor laying turd.The Klyde doesn't have the most extended treble around (I use one myself) and will definitely produce less treble and a warmer sound.
It's not the Ash rack, though, I promise you (I've got one of those too), compared to my previous rack the Ash is much more belanced, and less bright.
Can you stick something soft on the floor between you and speakers (rug, cushions, naked nymphs writhing on the floor etc)
Might not help, but the latter option will take your mind off the brightness
Andy
Posted on: 01 August 2002 by Alex S.
If you haven't already, I'd ask Dev to help out on this one.
Alex
Posted on: 01 August 2002 by garyi
If he comes up with the promised 'do' then I may seek advice!
In the mean time I have attempted a bit of a spring clean and here is what I have come up with:
The spare plug there now holds tight, so I may pull the plug from the linn for that socket as Marco suggests. Mind you they are on the same loop so I don't know what this will achieve.
Of course in order to adjust cables in situe I have had to swing the stand out from the corner of the wall hense the Girlfriend comments. I would bitch and moan but it is her flat ;-)
The stand now sits flat aginst a wall so I can't get the camera in to well.
All in all I have not heard an iota of difference not even if I was being generous, everything sounds just as it did before, as I expected.
Marco has suggested I remove the pulsar points, however linn suggest that te deck needs to be on something light, (ash with seven sheets of 10cm glass is not light) as such I though that with the PPs underneath it would make it a bit better, but as I say I haven't heard any differences either way.
I am rambling now. Where is Dev? He rarely posts nower days, I miss him.
Posted on: 01 August 2002 by garyi
BTW alex I really hope you reserved you penaltimate 2000 post just for me, obviously you won't be wasting the next post responding, but I live in hope!
Posted on: 01 August 2002 by Martin Payne
Gary,
helped a mate with his system last night. He was getting a bit of an ear-bleeding sound (didn't like being turned up too much).
We moved his Supercap from under the SNAXO, so that he had one rack with all his amps & PS's, and another rack with CD, pre & XO.
The sound cleaned up a lot, and also the bass freed up - lost a 'constrained' quality, added considerable weight.
I would strongly recommend that you try to achieve a minimum 12" spacing between any powered item and your preamp & CD.
Also, slacken off or undo the locking collars on your SNAICs and interconnects. Seems to help, too, at least in complicated systems with lots of connections. (For anyone else, don't try this with Burndy's, though).
cheers, Martin
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by Alex S.
You need Mana.
Alex
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by garyi
I must say Alex I was looking forward to a forum review, that was the year that was kind of thing.
Alas if you feel mana is the single most important part of your system, I suggest you get shot of the rest of it, preferably in my direction.
Still I feel a certain pride knowing it was in my thread, tee hee.
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by Dev B
quote:
Where is Dev? He rarely posts nower days, I miss him.
Garyi - I am in the process of moving, my life is full of boxes, but I will surface soon. I'll have a gathering at my new place. Give me three weeks.
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by Andrew Randle
Gary,
Here's a strong suggestion. Changing the fuses in your mains plugs will result in a taming effect on your treble. Fuses wear out and over a period of time they deteriorate. Changing them every year has a dramatic enough effect.
Andrew
Andrew Randle
Currently in the "Linn Binn"
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by Andrew Randle:
Gary,
Changing the fuses in your mains plugs will result in a taming effect on your treble. Fuses wear out and over a period of time they deteriorate. Changing them every year has a dramatic enough effect.
Andrew,
the hit from replacing the internal ones is just as big.
cheers, Martin
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by Wolf
I'm happy to see that someone else's cables are as bunched as mine are, thanks garyi
Posted on: 02 August 2002 by garyi
After a day of listening Wolf I am happy to report after tidying them up there appears to be bugger all difference.
Sorry Marco.
Also I removed the PPs, bugger all difference.
Sorry Marco.