Rack Tip from the guys in black ...

Naheed

Thanks for the tip.

This Naim softie's dealer has tried adding another layer of cups, ballbearings and glass to Fraim.

We didn't like it. It was starting to go all Mana-ish.

Been there...done that
circa 1991
an interesting varation on phasing that ultimately was more about hifi than music



best,Ken

quote:

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The RDC and Audiophile seem to be best for neutrality and accuracy

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Audiophile BASE-not sure about the neutrality and accuracy bit (more like it's weaknesses don't overwhelm it's strengths). I'd also describe it as a small taste of Fraim ;-)

regards,

dave

J.N.
Is this the same dealer who talked you into downgrading

I suppose there's no rescuing the Fraim performance then

Ken
What do you mean by the phasing thing ?

John
Good point mate, but alas i don't care as long as it improves my system then that works for me, be that Mana/Fraim/Base/etc...

naheed...

Naheed,

>>>What do you mean by the phasing thing ?<<<

"Phasing" as in a variation on the theme of Mana's system of stacking stages/flattops.
Adding the extra glass is essentially a different means of "distancing" the component from the influences of the floor/house structure.
If you added another soundstage instead , you'd get a similar lowering of the noise floor but with a more controlled "effect" than from 2 layers of glass waffling about as the upper glass sheet is not properly "tuned".

I think you'll find that this particular tweak will hold your attention for only so long and then you'll come to realise that some of your favorite music isn't making sense,musically.

best,
Ken

Thanks Ken

Understand what you saying, and intend living with this set-up for a week or so, then reverting back to one-glass, BUT the improvement to me is NOT subtle. I did post on the Mana forum that the effect does vary from track to track, ranging from major boogie to a very different presentational shift - either way 90% of the tracks are way better (just so much more boogie-factor), its the other 10% that is strange.


Marco - everything as before is still there, and some more and better, but this one is very difficult to summate, aside from saying more boogie

naheed...

An gee who knows might enable JW to sell some more glass, nice work if you can get it.

Naheed

You're jumping to conclusions and rather missing the point.

I (not my dealer) decided to 'rationalise' lots of Naim boxes in two systems, into one good quality system with the new amps, which I think are rather good (particularly on Fraim).

As long as we're both happy, that's all that matters.

Enjoy.

"This Naim softie's dealer has tried adding another layer of cups, ballbearings and glass to Fraim.

We didn't like it. It was starting to go all Mana-ish."


Mr N.

having read the thread, JW seems to say the same with Mana when using something hard between the layers. (Can Mana go Mana-ish?)

The new tweak is to use three small patches of felt or cork (1-2mm thick) between the two glass sheets.

cheers, Martin

Naheed,

it's more than fair to say that J.N. is a committed Naim owner who has tried the "throw money at it" solution to a system that just wouldn't come right whatever he did.

Somehow the new system seems to work, and I know he's a lot happier. It's definately doing some things that his old 52 did not.

I wonder whether it's because he's 5 miles from a 1/4 megawatt BBC transmitter.

cheers, Martin

Only messing whitchah

I have not heard the new range and can't comment, but its the audio happiness that counts not the box ratio

naheed...

It seems to me, that the enormous number of variables. As to where exactly to put your little bits of cork. Would make a successful (or unsuccessful) test almost impossible to repeat. But have fun anyway. What's the point in having toys if you don't ply with them?

Nime

Everyone has the right to be wrong.