Coming to a polling station near you - voting machines

Any other evidence that such a programme exists? Or that it could have the effect described? Or that it would be undectable? Or...?????

http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2005/12/republicans...n-2004-election.html

I've just opened todays post and low and behold a pilot scheme is being considered in my area Electronic Voter registration all part of the Governments e-strategy we hope you will give this scheme some support.

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Originally posted by Nigel Cavendish:
Any other evidence that such a programme exists? Or that it could have the effect described? Or that it would be undectable? Or...?????

I don't know Nigel, why not do some research and see if you can find some? In fact, any programmer worth his/her salt could cobble together a programme to have the desired effect very easily indeed. They would only have to bung a line or two into the source code (which could be removed later)and this would take minutes if not seconds to do.

Still no mention in the MSM. You'd think this is the most sensational news in ages.

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Originally posted by Beano:
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2005/12/republicans...n-2004-election.html

I've just opened todays post and low and behold a pilot scheme is being considered in my area Electronic Voter registration all part of the Governments e-strategy we hope you will give this scheme some support.

Yes, what a strange coincidence Beano

I won't be posting in the coming week, but for background info on this I'd check out http://www.blackboxvoting.org. I think the testimony is two months old or so, the news has been out for longer, and Clint Curtis is running for congress on this one issue.

This link is a good one with lots of referencing to back-up their claims, the site was taken down but is back up and running today.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

Beano

I am surprised that this issue is so ignored in the media. You'd think it'd be bigger than watergate.

With US elections this year it is very relevant.

There is some interesting stuff on Diebold, producers of voting machines in the States.

The gaming board commission in Nevada recommended that these machines were not used in Nevada as there were no software controls, no hardware controls and no audit trail amongst other things.

There is a movement towards using open source voting systems where the software is open to critical review.

Last thing we want in the UK is the fiasco at the last American election whereby the loser got into the Whitehouse.

This is one of the things I have been following for the last few years.

Steve.

Twice.

Twice? Didn't know the first one was crooked as well?

Well I'm back.

Bev Harris from blackboxvoting has done a lot to show up the problems with voting machines. She pointed to the republican ties or ES&S voting machines(R-Nebraska Chuck Hagel) and she got hold of a snapshot of the sources of Diebold machines and had them examined, exposing their weak design and implementation.

In Belgium the sources for voting and vote collection software are available to the public (they can be downloaded from a government site)

Reviving this topic.

A nice introduction to the many administrative and other tricks used to manipulate the poll results is this story.

Here's a pattern: make it very hard for a targetted group of people to get registered to vote and to actually vote.

If Diebold voting machines appear in the UK = goodbye to your democracy.

The USA is pretty much a one-party nation now; the Dems are purposely kept on life-support so that the right-wing talk-radio goons and Republican pols have scapegoats to blame for stuff which they've made go awry.

Shame to hear you say that; firstly the Dems did get about half the popular vote in 2004, and second, all over the places I visited recently (including WA) there were 'impeach Bush/Cheney' posters' and talk of a severe fall in the Republican vote next time. Didn't hear mention of a good Dem candidate yet though?

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Originally posted by rupert bear:
Shame to hear you say that; firstly the Dems did get about half the popular vote in 2004, and second, all over the places I visited recently (including WA) there were 'impeach Bush/Cheney' posters' and talk of a severe fall in the Republican vote next time. Didn't hear mention of a good Dem candidate yet though?

Sounds like you were in the Seattle area, where the gentle indigenous Lefties are naively expecting the Dems to take the House and maybe the Senate; the media is just now ramping up the right-wing narrative which will suppress the voting of many Dem-supporting groups, and moving the subject away from the open sore that is U.S.-occupied Iraq and onto fear of terrorist hordes just outside the U.S. border, for which the firm hand of George W. Bush (who has God by his scabbard) is the only solution (not, certainly those atheist, elitist Dems who'd sell your birthright to the nearest Imam as soon as roger you). And the Republican party is spurring the huge suburban evangelical churches to organise their Christian soldiers onward to get the vote out over "culture war" issues: the evergreen gay marriage threat, stem-cell research, teaching actual science in the schools (horror!), abortion, and the threat of illegal immigration (read: those brown people who do their landscaping) etc.

Prediction: the Repubs will hold onto Congress by a slim but definite margin, which they will spin as a mandate to up the ante on everything they do. Rumsfeld is just itching to try the new nuclear bunker-busters in Iran; more people without health insurance? We need tax cuts for those making more than $500,000 per annum!

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Originally posted by rupert bear:
Shame to hear you say that; firstly the Dems did get about half the popular vote in 2004, and second, all over the places I visited recently (including WA) there were 'impeach Bush/Cheney' posters' and talk of a severe fall in the Republican vote next time. Didn't hear mention of a good Dem candidate yet though?

Sounds like you were in the Seattle area, where the gentle indigenous Lefties are naively expecting the Dems to take the House and maybe the Senate; the media is just now ramping up the right-wing narrative which will suppress the voting of many Dem-supporting groups, and moving the subject away from the open sore that is U.S.-occupied Iraq and onto fear of terrorist hordes just outside the U.S. border, for which the firm hand of George W. Bush (who has God by his scabbard) is the only solution (not, certainly those atheist, elitist Dems who'd sell your birthright to the nearest Imam as soon as roger you). A.M. talk radio, which even in Seattle is almost entirely populated by right-wing goons, is scaring the masses about what will happen if Ms. Pelosi leads the House. Anything critical of the Bush administrations' handling of the war is characterised as "Bush hatred" by the "Fringe Left". And the Republican party is once again spurring the huge suburban evangelical churches to organise their Christian soldiers onward to get the vote out over "culture war" issues: the evergreen gay marriage threat, stem-cell research, teaching actual science in the schools (horror!), abortion, and the threat of illegal immigration (read: those brown people who do their landscaping) etc. Meanwhile, the Democratic party just sits there and takes it, while the Lefty blogosphere is increasingly marginalised as hysterical loons; concerns about voting machines and intelligence cherry-picking are dismissed as "conspiracy theories". New polls show that Republican voters who were restive a month ot two ago are coming home to the party again. Bush's approval rating are up from 28% to the low 40s, gas prices have dropped 50 cents a gallon ("See? Those loony lefties and their silly Peak Oil theories..."), and the cable news shows are all over reports of low unemployment and the robust state of the U.S. economy.

Prediction: the Repubs will hold onto Congress by a slim but definite margin, which they will spin as a mandate to up the ante on everything they do. Rumsfeld is just itching to try the new nuclear bunker-busters in Iran; more people without health insurance? Well, we need more tax cuts for those making more than $500,000 per annum! And we can't have our kids exposed to that anti-Christian Darwinism at school.