from Hi-Cap to Supercap 2

adam -- ta for correction -- forgot it was 24v.

Nevertheless my basic point still stands, ta

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
adam -- ta for correction -- forgot it was 24v.

Yes, that and the fact that only the power amplifier is limited to providing 1 x 24v.

With a NAC 282 you use 4 x 24v - which lessens the force of your point by four.

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Originally posted by Adam Meredith:

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
adam -- ta for correction -- forgot it was 24v.

Yes, that and the fact that only the power amplifier is limited to providing 1 x 24v.

With a NAC 282 you use 4 x 24v - which lessens the force of your point by four.

(large point)/4 = (still a large point)

the real question for me is why is the 282 not designed to take full advantage of the supercap upgrade?

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the real question for me is why is the 282 not designed to take full advantage of the supercap upgrade?

It's called the 252

regards,
mat

thats above my threshold of pain.

282 + supercap seems to represent the phenomena where the whole is actually less than the sum of its parts.

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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
At the risk of upsetting people, I see very little point in using a supercap if you cannot connect using a burndy.

Unfortuntely, it isn't possible to run a 52 (252) from two HCs.

However, it is possible to run the 82 (282) on a Supercap, delightfully so.

Then, one day it might be possible - if one chooses - to go from 82(282) to 52(252).

A leap straight from 82 and one or two HCs to 52/SC in one go may be a budgetary leap too far for some.

James

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Originally posted by csl:
282 + supercap seems to represent the phenomena where the whole is actually less than the sum of its parts.

given that 282/supercap sounds as good as it does using only 4 supplies from the supercap, i would actually say the opposite -- the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, in music terms. in fact i know some people (and dealers) who prefer a 282/supercap to a 252/supercap

enjoy
ken

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Originally posted by ken c:
in fact i know some people (and dealers) who prefer a 282/supercap to a 252/supercap

There are variations in voicing of head units.
Some folks prefer CDS3 over CD555 with a 555PS, 52 over 252 for example...

The only unanimous positive votes go to the 552, however.

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There are variations in voicing of head units.

i have never really understood what "voicing" is but i guess that explains it. i definitely prefer 252/supercap to a 282/supercap, assuming of course that the pre-amps are of similar age and condition.

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The only unanimous positive votes go to the 552, however.

i have heard the 552 once and wasnt impressed. but i dont think this was to do with "voicing" (whatever that means). one of these days, i will try again, but that would be an academic exercise as i simply cannot afford it right now. one tries to save, then the powerline comes along and disrupts one's careful plans.

enjoy
ken

ken,

i guess we will never know, but based on naims philosophy that 12 is better than 4 I will stick to my position. It would be nice however, if one did buy the supercap for the 282, that the napsc component could be powered by the supercap. It would also be nice if the 282 was fully benefitted by the all the supercap has to offer. however, as pointed out earlier, this may be the primary difference between the two preamps.

Blimey!

I guess the way forward for me is to upgrade the CD player & speakers then either service the 82 or upgrade to a 2nd hand 252.

I've got to do the upgrades bit by bit.

I bought the 250-2 and SC-2 at the same time as they were a great buy. I did plan on upgrading the other way round (CDP & speakers 1st) but got distracted by the amp and cap. My next purchase which will probs me my last for 2009 will be the speakers. I think if I buy a CDX-2 without the power supply I wont see massive leaps ahead of my 3.5/Hicap so will wait until I can afford both at the same time.

Does this sound like the right thing to do?

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Originally posted by ken c:

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Thanks Adam.. Ouch !!! I already own 3 555PS's and an XPS-T. Now I have to save for a SuperCap and 500 ....

sorry, i know i am slightly off-topic, but for a short while, but can you please tell me how you found the difference between the std nat01 PS and the xps-t?

enjoy
ken

Ken,
Generally, all aspects of sound quality improved to some extant, but you MUST have a good antenna as signal strength is vital in the NAT-01 for quality sound. More so than many other tuners.

regards,

Joe

Adam

For clarification and back on topic is a 282 powered by two Hicaps equivalent in power supply terms (ie 24v x 4) to a 282 powered by a Supercap with 2 Snaics??

So can we assume the Supercap as a supply enhances the 282 performance over two Hicaps by virtue of the quality of the power supply rather than the quantity?

Still undecided on the Supercap/282 upgrade.

Mike

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Originally posted by Michael Brian:
For clarification and back on topic is a 282 powered by two Hicaps equivalent in power supply terms (ie 24v x 4) to a 282 powered by a Supercap with 2 Snaics??
So can we assume the Supercap as a supply enhances the 282 performance over two Hicaps by virtue of the quality of the power supply rather than the quantity?

In both cases there are 4 x 24v supplies.

Those of the SuperCap are superior to those available from the HiCap (something that can be experienced when substituting SC for HC in simple, one SNAIC-5, situations - Prefix, Stageline, Headline, etc).
In addition, having all supplies coming from the one PS allows earthing to be optimised.