Yes! There is justice! (Cyclists)
Posted by: Ancipital on 19 May 2005
Riding my motorbike into work this morning, saw the following.
One cyclist nearly get run over by lazily cycling across a junction when the lights on their side had gone red. It's a large busy junction and a main throughway, the cyclist seemed to be oblivious to this.
At a pelican crossing when the lights were red and about 15 pedestrians were crossing, a cyclist shot out from round the side of a lorry and went straight across, nearest pedestrian that was walking to that side of the road, about 5 feet.
Near work at another set of red lights, had a motocycle in front of me with a police motorcycle in front of him and a car at the front. Cyclist came down the inside and shot across the (red) lights. The policeman went off after him and pulled him over 200 yards down the road. Last I saw when I went past was the policeman having a discussion with the cyclist.
All that needs to happen now is for fines to be issued for cyclists that systematically ignore traffic lights and pedistrian crossings and for cyclists to have at least mandatory 3rd party liability as every other road going vehicle has (or should have). Maybe even introduce mandatory number plates to get those cyclists that do a hit and run.
As is with everything else I do understand that the minority cause the problems for the majority!
Steve.
One cyclist nearly get run over by lazily cycling across a junction when the lights on their side had gone red. It's a large busy junction and a main throughway, the cyclist seemed to be oblivious to this.
At a pelican crossing when the lights were red and about 15 pedestrians were crossing, a cyclist shot out from round the side of a lorry and went straight across, nearest pedestrian that was walking to that side of the road, about 5 feet.
Near work at another set of red lights, had a motocycle in front of me with a police motorcycle in front of him and a car at the front. Cyclist came down the inside and shot across the (red) lights. The policeman went off after him and pulled him over 200 yards down the road. Last I saw when I went past was the policeman having a discussion with the cyclist.
All that needs to happen now is for fines to be issued for cyclists that systematically ignore traffic lights and pedistrian crossings and for cyclists to have at least mandatory 3rd party liability as every other road going vehicle has (or should have). Maybe even introduce mandatory number plates to get those cyclists that do a hit and run.
As is with everything else I do understand that the minority cause the problems for the majority!
Steve.
Posted on: 19 May 2005 by Matthew T
One assumes that you are completely law abiding and never speed etc....
Posted on: 19 May 2005 by Ancipital
For certain I don't drive across red lights as a matter of course or zebra crossings whilst there are people still on them.
As for speeding, I will drive/ride at the same speed as other road users as long as it is safe to do so and I am not being a danger to others or myself.
I have been a cyclist and will be again when I get my pushbike sorted out. Riding motorcycles on the roads gives an interesting perspective on self preservation and awareness of what other road users are doing including other motorcyclists, cyclists & car drivers. I also ride horses out on the roads which gives an even more interesting perspective on how oblivious a lot of car drivers are.
The original point being, a large percentage of cyclists I see on the roads act either like they're invincible (probably take their cue from scooter riders) and have some kind of right to ignore traffic laws regarding having stop for minor little inconveniances like lights, pedestrian crossings or riding the wrong way up one way streets.
As for speeding, I will drive/ride at the same speed as other road users as long as it is safe to do so and I am not being a danger to others or myself.
I have been a cyclist and will be again when I get my pushbike sorted out. Riding motorcycles on the roads gives an interesting perspective on self preservation and awareness of what other road users are doing including other motorcyclists, cyclists & car drivers. I also ride horses out on the roads which gives an even more interesting perspective on how oblivious a lot of car drivers are.
The original point being, a large percentage of cyclists I see on the roads act either like they're invincible (probably take their cue from scooter riders) and have some kind of right to ignore traffic laws regarding having stop for minor little inconveniances like lights, pedestrian crossings or riding the wrong way up one way streets.
Posted on: 19 May 2005 by Berlin Fritz
Just ban all pedestrians everywhere
Posted on: 19 May 2005 by John Sheridan
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for cyclists to have at least mandatory 3rd party liability as every other road going vehicle has (or should have). Maybe even introduce mandatory number plates to get those cyclists that do a hit and run.
quote:I also ride horses out on the roads which gives an even more interesting perspective on how oblivious a lot of car drivers are.
hope your horse is insured, and can't wait to see where you're going to stick the plates - also like to see where you'd stick a visible number plate on a bike.
Posted on: 19 May 2005 by Nime
As a lifelong cyclist I detest those who don't follow the rules of the road. All of them!
Insuring young drivers and motorcyclists doesn't make them behave any better. Why should insuring cyclists have the least effect?
Insurance against determined stupidity has yet to become a reality. Unfortunately many members of society are most qualified in stupidity. It doesn't look as if it's about to be stamped out soon.
Those of us with our fair share of "smarts" can only offer our own behaviour as an example to the perversely stupid. Unfortunately these fools are as blinkered as the asses they seem bent on copying.
Insuring young drivers and motorcyclists doesn't make them behave any better. Why should insuring cyclists have the least effect?
Insurance against determined stupidity has yet to become a reality. Unfortunately many members of society are most qualified in stupidity. It doesn't look as if it's about to be stamped out soon.
Those of us with our fair share of "smarts" can only offer our own behaviour as an example to the perversely stupid. Unfortunately these fools are as blinkered as the asses they seem bent on copying.
Posted on: 20 May 2005 by Lomo
Arrh, poor old underpriviledged class, we envy them when we are in gridlock and just can't cope with a way of transport that just won't conform to our strict rules and regulations. Give em more room, separate them from vehicular traffic and encourage us to get out of our cars and join them. Great for health as well. We should give them tax breaks.
Posted on: 20 May 2005 by domfjbrown
Lomo - you are a GOD
I inhale toxic fumes on a daily basis in Heavitree, Exeter, because of selfish school-run parents and loan gas guzzler drivers.
If each one of them got off their fat arse and cycled or WALKED (gasp horror!) Exeter wouldn't be the most poluted* city in England.
*according to my housemate - though I think he's wrong - but Exeter IS in the top-5.
I inhale toxic fumes on a daily basis in Heavitree, Exeter, because of selfish school-run parents and loan gas guzzler drivers.
If each one of them got off their fat arse and cycled or WALKED (gasp horror!) Exeter wouldn't be the most poluted* city in England.
*according to my housemate - though I think he's wrong - but Exeter IS in the top-5.
Posted on: 20 May 2005 by Ancipital
quote:Originally posted by John Sheridan:quote:I also ride horses out on the roads which gives an even more interesting perspective on how oblivious a lot of car drivers are.
hope your horse is insured, and can't wait to see where you're going to stick the plates - also like to see where you'd stick a visible number plate on a bike.
Actually, yes, am insured, horse is insured for 3rd party liability, vet bills etc and I'm insured for hospital bills and dental bills!
When I do get round to replacing the tyres on my cycle, I will be getting 3rd party liability insurance!
Talking to a policeman about 2 hours ago (in a bar), he did say that jumping a set of lights on a pushbike (and getting caught) can get the cyclist hit for an £80 fine.
Dom, I read on a bbc forum yesterday about 4x4s how one couple drove their kid to school and then drove to work themselves. School was in the village they lived in and so was there workplace. Grand total of 500 yards driven.
Steve.
Posted on: 20 May 2005 by charliestumpy
All road users (this should include cyclists ...) should have to pass test-be licensed-have insurance-use nice 'Noddy' bell-follow Highway Code, as should all pedestrians/motorists etc.
Many pedestrians cause problems to motorists on roads, and do not follow Highway Code recommendation to walk facing oncoming traffic.
Many pedestrians cause problems to motorists on roads, and do not follow Highway Code recommendation to walk facing oncoming traffic.
Posted on: 20 May 2005 by John Sheridan
quote:Originally posted by Ancipital:
Actually, yes, am insured, horse is insured for 3rd party liability, vet bills etc and I'm insured for hospital bills and dental bills!
well that just leaves you with finding somewhere to stick your number plate
So how much does it cost to insure a horse? A bike costs less than £20 a year as it is (it's included in the British Cycling federation membership) so I could imagine certain administrative nightmares if someone decided to make it compulsory for the few pounds it would cost.
The real reason it's not compulsory of course is that the government doesn't want to discourage people, kids especially, from doing exercise.
Posted on: 21 May 2005 by Nime
One presumes the latest oversized bike frames and fat tyres are an evolutionary step to cope with the onslaught of the tubbies?
I wonder why they don't put handlebar racks on them for the take-away snacks so important to their lifestyle?
Titanium BigMaxRax for the overweight pseudo-racer with a fat wallet?
Twin lightweight handlebar bottle racks with straws and comforters to carry 2.5 litre Coke bottles in case the "lardies" can't find a take-away or sweet shop on their "exercise ride" within 200 yards of leaving home?
I wonder why they don't put handlebar racks on them for the take-away snacks so important to their lifestyle?
Titanium BigMaxRax for the overweight pseudo-racer with a fat wallet?
Twin lightweight handlebar bottle racks with straws and comforters to carry 2.5 litre Coke bottles in case the "lardies" can't find a take-away or sweet shop on their "exercise ride" within 200 yards of leaving home?
Posted on: 21 May 2005 by Ancipital
quote:Originally posted by John Sheridan:
well that just leaves you with finding somewhere to stick your number plate
So how much does it cost to insure a horse?
Could get the rider to have the numberplate on their back, like you get the trade number plates hanging over the real one on cars.
Ummmm, hope your sitting down for this. Including some of the stuff I want to do like showjumping, it comes to about £600ish a year. That is more than my motorcyle insurance and way more than my car insurance.
Nime, nah, they won't need to carry all that stuff with them, they just need to have someone drive along behind them in a gas guzzling SUV to carry all their urgent supplies with them - of course, there'll be a microwave in there as well.
Steve.
Posted on: 21 May 2005 by Nime
quote:Originally posted by Ancipital:
Nime, nah, they won't need to carry all that stuff with them, they just need to have someone drive along behind them in a gas guzzling SUV to carry all their urgent supplies with them - of course, there'll be a microwave in there as well.
Steve.
Now you're exaggerating!
Posted on: 21 May 2005 by John Sheridan
quote:Originally posted by Ancipital:
Ummmm, hope your sitting down for this. Including some of the stuff I want to do like showjumping, it comes to about £600ish a year. That is more than my motorcyle insurance and way more than my car insurance.
I take it that's not just 3rd party though?
Most companies want about the same to insure my bike - no doubt they think that all bikes are just left chained at the local railway station all day.
Posted on: 21 May 2005 by JamH
Last year I was riding my bike and an idiot pedestrian ran across the road [a main road] and knocked me off.
I was not hurt but had a truck been coming I would be dead now [he knocked me away from the path/pavemant].
Did he appologise ? No -- he just ran off.
I was in a lot of shock [in the medical sense] and had to take the rest of the day off work [it happenned at lunch time]. Actually I was terrified !!
So - should pedestrians have mandatory insurance [at least those who wish to cross roads].
James
I was not hurt but had a truck been coming I would be dead now [he knocked me away from the path/pavemant].
Did he appologise ? No -- he just ran off.
I was in a lot of shock [in the medical sense] and had to take the rest of the day off work [it happenned at lunch time]. Actually I was terrified !!
So - should pedestrians have mandatory insurance [at least those who wish to cross roads].
James
Posted on: 22 May 2005 by Nime
Just one of those things I'm afraid James.
Many truck drivers now have a mobile phone welded to their spare hand. (Truck drivers always have three hands and can parallel process effortlessly) It's all part of the new HGV test now. They have to learn to zigzag between pedestrians and badly parked cars while talking on their mobiles to pass the test.
Petrol tanker drivers have to prove they can light a cigarette, use the mobile phone, eat a hot-dog, do their paperwork, read a map to find their next destination and drive through burning hoops, held by trained poodles, all at the same time.
The driving standards obviously have to be set higher where petrol tankers are concerned in case they are needed as emergency stunt drivers for the next Hollywood blockbuster. Petrol tanker fires being obligatory these days to give any sense of realism.
Many truck drivers now have a mobile phone welded to their spare hand. (Truck drivers always have three hands and can parallel process effortlessly) It's all part of the new HGV test now. They have to learn to zigzag between pedestrians and badly parked cars while talking on their mobiles to pass the test.
Petrol tanker drivers have to prove they can light a cigarette, use the mobile phone, eat a hot-dog, do their paperwork, read a map to find their next destination and drive through burning hoops, held by trained poodles, all at the same time.
The driving standards obviously have to be set higher where petrol tankers are concerned in case they are needed as emergency stunt drivers for the next Hollywood blockbuster. Petrol tanker fires being obligatory these days to give any sense of realism.