New AV3?
Posted by: GeraldUK on 12 April 2009
Sorry but i may be a ranting slightly after a glass (or 2) of wine in front of a bluray dvd. We have have quite a lot of choice of HD Av/ DVD receivers now and given i am a hardy Naim junkie all i want is some HD decoded sound tracks and a bluray player from the green goddess - am i asking too much ? I already own a pioneer bluray player and really want to stick to naim given my hifi (is there any other ?) Hook a brother up !
Hey Neill,
Yeah, the Arcam has certainly seen some price hikes in the last few months, but, even at £3.5k, if the performance is as initially suggested, it may be ok - remembering of course it has the amplification and video side....
Yes, the Rotel - 1590/1570 or something..? Looks interesting...though I haven't read anything about it as of yet....
If it is indeed to be Naim's loss, I'm personally torn between an integrated Pioneer AVR or holding on for the Arcam - either integrated 600 or the processor 888 into Naim amps........
Ahhhhhrrrrrrhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
Yeah, the Arcam has certainly seen some price hikes in the last few months, but, even at £3.5k, if the performance is as initially suggested, it may be ok - remembering of course it has the amplification and video side....
Yes, the Rotel - 1590/1570 or something..? Looks interesting...though I haven't read anything about it as of yet....
If it is indeed to be Naim's loss, I'm personally torn between an integrated Pioneer AVR or holding on for the Arcam - either integrated 600 or the processor 888 into Naim amps........
Ahhhhhrrrrrrhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
Personally and in this day and age, I think that there should be greater engagement with their customers and that there would be little harm in sharing overall strategy with their customer base.
For example, is Naim committed to AV?
If they are not, fair enough. They are a business and, if they do believe that hi-fi is their core business and wish to focus exclusively on that or don't think AV offers the profitability they are seeking, then no argument from me.
If they are still in AV and looking to develop new products, there would be huge speculation from us all on what, how, when, where, how much etc etc. To my mind, this would create interest, anticipation and expectation amongst us all - which most companies would jump at the chance to create such buzz. People such as Roy, myself and others would probably wait and spend our hard-earned on Naim rather than elsewhere - which again most companies would kill for that sort of loyalty and commitment.
Adam refers in the thread he linked to "vapourware" but I don't think that's what people are looking for here. I think that they are simply looking for some basic information about the overall future for AV with Naim (if there is one).
Adam's commented that "You will be reassured, although frustrated, to note that we extend the same 'regard' to you as those who might ask about new speaker cable, reference tuner, turntable and ...." and "That you feel yourself extra special is just the human condition - that you are treated equally to other members is just fairness - and the way it is."
I would say that just because it is fair doesn't make it right.
I still find it incredible that there has never been an answer to the DVD5 scaler question. It is clearly dead now but a definitive answer from Naim even if it was simply to say that it proved to be uneconomic to release would have been fine. But I do think the silence reflects poorly on Naim.
As the companies seem to be seeking more different and more varied ways of communicating with their customer base. Naim sticks resolutely to their own course.
Now as a consumer, I have the ultimate power, I can buy elsewhere. But, damn them, if they'd only stop producing such darn good kit, I could do. But I can't.
But all this is only my opinion and a less than polite phrase springs to mind as far as opinions go. So I'll finish with: as, the saying sort of goes, you can please some of the people .....
I actually feel much better now that I've got that off my chest!
For example, is Naim committed to AV?
If they are not, fair enough. They are a business and, if they do believe that hi-fi is their core business and wish to focus exclusively on that or don't think AV offers the profitability they are seeking, then no argument from me.
If they are still in AV and looking to develop new products, there would be huge speculation from us all on what, how, when, where, how much etc etc. To my mind, this would create interest, anticipation and expectation amongst us all - which most companies would jump at the chance to create such buzz. People such as Roy, myself and others would probably wait and spend our hard-earned on Naim rather than elsewhere - which again most companies would kill for that sort of loyalty and commitment.
Adam refers in the thread he linked to "vapourware" but I don't think that's what people are looking for here. I think that they are simply looking for some basic information about the overall future for AV with Naim (if there is one).
Adam's commented that "You will be reassured, although frustrated, to note that we extend the same 'regard' to you as those who might ask about new speaker cable, reference tuner, turntable and ...." and "That you feel yourself extra special is just the human condition - that you are treated equally to other members is just fairness - and the way it is."
I would say that just because it is fair doesn't make it right.
I still find it incredible that there has never been an answer to the DVD5 scaler question. It is clearly dead now but a definitive answer from Naim even if it was simply to say that it proved to be uneconomic to release would have been fine. But I do think the silence reflects poorly on Naim.
As the companies seem to be seeking more different and more varied ways of communicating with their customer base. Naim sticks resolutely to their own course.
Now as a consumer, I have the ultimate power, I can buy elsewhere. But, damn them, if they'd only stop producing such darn good kit, I could do. But I can't.
But all this is only my opinion and a less than polite phrase springs to mind as far as opinions go. So I'll finish with: as, the saying sort of goes, you can please some of the people .....
I actually feel much better now that I've got that off my chest!
First wait for the HDMI 2.0 that will introduce a new connector by june 09 
: http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=93
: http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=93quote:Originally posted by HRC99:
If they are still in AV and looking to develop new products, there would be huge speculation from us all on what, how, when, where, how much etc etc. To my mind, this would create interest, anticipation and expectation amongst us all - which most companies would jump at the chance to create such buzz. People such as Roy, myself and others would probably wait and spend our hard-earned on Naim rather than elsewhere - which again most companies would kill for that sort of loyalty and commitment.
1800+ views and 62 posts in 2 weeks would seem to indicate this.....Only the What DVD have you watched" thread normally gets any attention in here...
Perhaps they really have AV as a low priority (or already switched off), it would seem to be the case....They must be otherwise doing well and do not need the revenue indicated here and I'm pleased for them, I really am....At least I know I can be confident of my 2 channel gear.
Frank Abela made the comment 'Naim had learnt lessons from past'. I really disagree. This silence seems to be a repeating pattern. Thank my stars I wasn't one of the faithful at the time who purchased the DVD5 and patiently waited for the scaler...only to get nothing, but worse, hear nothing...Nothing ! I personally would have been hopping mad - not so much at the disappointment of no scaler, but at the treatment and lack of respect as a paying customer....It's amazing and to their credit people like Neill and Roy keep coming back for more...
Human condition ? This is a HiFi forum (and in pure essence should be a communication line between paying customer and company), not a re-stage of the Family of Man....But, in that vain, I have always found people are far more understanding, accommodating, accepting and grateful if you TALK to them, whatever the news....To do otherwise, hoping it will all go away like an ostrich, often leads to a mess IMHO......Or in this case, lost sales.
I agree HRC99, it's a PR savvy world these days....
Steve
HDMI 2.0 ? - I really hope they make that backwards compatible !!?! There's no mention of it, but there is just so much v1.3 out there, TVs etc, that they would just have to.....
quote:Originally posted by SC:
HDMI 2.0 ? - I really hope they make that backwards compatible !!?! There's no mention of it, but there is just so much v1.3 out there, TVs etc, that they would just have to.....
It will be compatible but the HDMI connector will be different.
Yeah, smaller 19 pin I read...Great, I see adapter problems on the horizon...!
AV9 is a fine processor, but I think if Naim is your sound or system, the AV2 would be the logical choice...AV9 will not have any of the newer HD codecs if that is a interest for you, though neither will the AV2 of course....
As you comment, there isn't really a processor currently that has the HD side of things at the level we want...(Well, there are a few - Marantz, Rotel and the new Arcam coming later in the year..) which is what we've been discussing here....
Yes, could do analogue into the AV2 or similar, and I think if you use a top end BDP such as the Pioneer or Denon, it's decoding and analogue output will be very fine indeed....Yes, we would all love a Naim AV3 to decode itself instead though...!
As you comment, there isn't really a processor currently that has the HD side of things at the level we want...(Well, there are a few - Marantz, Rotel and the new Arcam coming later in the year..) which is what we've been discussing here....
Yes, could do analogue into the AV2 or similar, and I think if you use a top end BDP such as the Pioneer or Denon, it's decoding and analogue output will be very fine indeed....Yes, we would all love a Naim AV3 to decode itself instead though...!
quote:Originally posted by SC:
As you comment, there isn't really a processor currently that has the HD side of things at the level we want...(Well, there are a few - Marantz, Rotel and the new Arcam coming later in the year..) which is what we've been discussing here....
Audiolab 8000ap does @ £1k!!! It doesn't do DTS HD & DD HD, but if you investigate properly (What HiFi didn't) it doesn't need to. Lossless LPCM is identical to them and converting any of them to LPCM is lossless and all BluRays must do it as a legal part of their BluRay license. DTS HD or DD HD to LPCM is like unzipping a file.