n-SUB wins award

You ain't getting your AV3 so move on.

Naim are working on an AV3, just for Steve. Just to shut him up!

rackkit - AV2 (as a 2 channel Dac) user and proud.

Well deserved. It's a wonderful design and puts paid to the idea that anything producing subsonics doesn't need to sound musical.

Tonym - AV2 (as surround sound and 5.1 preamp for HD BluRay, plus 2x n-Subs) user and proud.

(and would probably use it as a 2 channel DAC if it was in a different place & I didn't have to use long cables)

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Originally posted by tonym:
Well deserved. It's a wonderful design and puts paid to the idea that anything producing subsonics doesn't need to sound musical.

Tonym - AV2 (as surround sound and 5.1 preamp for HD BluRay, plus 2x n-Subs) user and proud.

(and would probably use it as a 2 channel DAC if it was in a different place & I didn't have to use long cables)

Will also be using it to do the same at some point in the not too distant future.

Have n-Sats for the rears plus n-Cent driven by a NAP 175. The low end will taken care of by the 'Award Winning' n-Sub. TV is a 50" 9G Kuro.

Still yet to decide on what Blu-ray deck to get but that can wait closer to the time, though i'm leaning towards the Oppo 83 in standard trim, using analogue 5.1 into the AV2.

SC, i was only jesting about you shutting up. You're the only one keeping this part of the forum going!

No worries rackkit...I already knew you were a good'en! (it's fairly easy choosing what, or rather who, to ignore around the forum!)

I was quite genuinely celebrating the n-SUB (of which I have one - and keep thinking about doing the x2 thing...Can't have Tony out doing me )....I save my thoughts (not to mention my obvious exasperation) re AV3 etc for the relevant threads, as I always have....

Good choice of screen there ....What speakers do you have up front ? I ask as at some point down the line, I will want to go for larger LF & LR....the problem being, what to get and also have a matching centre.....

As for the HT room, yeah, there's only a few of us kicking around in here it seems...It's a wonder why it now exists really, apart from posting what flick you watched the night before...

Steve.

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Originally posted by rackkit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tonym:

Still yet to decide on what Blu-ray deck to get but that can wait closer to the time, though i'm leaning towards the Oppo 83 in standard trim, using analogue 5.1 into the AV2.

From what I have read - the Oppo 80 has the same audio performance as the 83 (Quoted on the OPPO site) the main difference between the two is the video scaler which really comes into play upscaling DVD's - Bluray performance between the is minimal. I'd save your money or go for the SE...

Hi Steve.

I'm using Allaes as my main speakers. No idea what it'll sound like with all the extra speakers going until it's set up. I'm hoping the voicing should be similar, if not, maybe i'll look out for another used pair of n-Sats for the fronts as well as they come up fairly cheap now.

Don't get any thoughts of outdoing tonym - it's impossible! He's got more Naim gear than my local dealer and that's no joke!

Don't give Naim any ideas about closing us down. If they do, i guess there's always AV Forums.

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Originally posted by Occean:
From what I have read - the Oppo 80 has the same audio performance as the 83 (Quoted on the OPPO site) the main difference between the two is the video scaler which really comes into play upscaling DVD's - Bluray performance between the is minimal. I'd save your money or go for the SE...

It's been a while since i've looked at this side of things - i wasn't even aware of the Oppo 80.

The only problem with SE is the huge price difference over the standard 83.

Still, plenty of time to mull over this - there again, it'll probably 4D decks and screens by the time i'm ready. Haha!

No I know, I'm familiar with Tony's set up...Forget dealers, I think he has a finer set up than I see at most Naim demos...!

I do have a glance at some of the other AV forums every now and then...though there you'll find the folk who really got their fingers burnt with Naim and AV...and blimey they don't (have to) refrain from what they really think...!

Oh God, I love you all darlings!

Seriously, it's a great pity Naim seem to have decided to shelve AV. I ended up with my system because I've yet to hear anything to touch a good Naim surround system built around AV2/Naim speakers/Naim amplification.

Tony - Please send the fiver to: SC, 3 main Street,.......

Being serious, I totally agree with your last sentence....As we talked at the Naim BBQ, the irony for me personally is that it was the AV line that finally pulled me into Naim after first hearing a CDS many many years before and always having the desire one day to acquire a Naim system.......I now feel as though, having come through the AV side door, I have missed the main party...!!

Still, we have the n-SUB !

Steve.

tonym,

[....anything to touch ...]

I agree ....and disagree!

I bought, and still use, the AV2 because I think that it does music and general ambiance best of all the processors I have heard.

If I was simply interested in action movies - and so sound stearing was more important to me, I would probably look elsewhere.

My current plans are to retain my DVD5/AV2.

When my SD panny bites the dust, six years old and still going strong, I'll look at something like the phillips wide-screen, and start using the DVD5 DVI to HDMI; seen it - looks excellent.

M

The Philip's widescreen as in their 21:9 screen(56PFL9954H)...?

If so, that must look stunning!...Though, I'd be interested to see just how well the DVD5 scales up on it.....

Steve.

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Still, plenty of time to mull over this - there again, it'll probably 4D decks and screens by the time i'm ready. Haha!

Ah, that would be a time travelling machine which lets you watch something before it's even made?

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Originally posted by Dr John William Martin:

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Still, plenty of time to mull over this - there again, it'll probably 4D decks and screens by the time i'm ready. Haha!

Ah, that would be a time travelling machine which lets you watch something before it's even made?

Isn't that the same as watching a film with a predictable ending?

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Originally posted by SC:

<<SNIP>>

I was quite genuinely celebrating the n-SUB (of which I have one - and keep thinking about doing the x2 thing...Can't have Tony out doing me )....I save my thoughts (not to mention my obvious exasperation) re AV3 etc for the relevant threads, as I always have....

<<SNIP>>

Steve.

Steve ...

If you're serious there then definitely go audition a second n-Sub ... the difference is quite incredible.

I only use the sub for movies but I was running a single n-Sub for a while and found I was - erm - occasionally running out of excursion. (I did love explaining that to the guys here - it was invariably greeted with "You obviously have your levels set up wrongly - use an SPL meter to balance them properly..." - pfft ... like I'd have not have set my levels properly! Followed moments later by "Oh my God ... just how loud are you running that!!!")

I've never liked having multiple subs and did look at building myself a custom sub using maybe one or two DBL bass drivers but just as a test tried a second n-Sub as a less insane possible solution ... never looked back!

Stuff like "Iron Man" is just taken so completely in their stride it's unreal ... was watching that recently with the AV2 up at around 68 and it definitely hits all the subliminal fear factor buttons.

The n-Sub is a really underrated bit of kit, lovely big amp married to a responsive driver in a very small sealed box but a pair of them is definitely more than just the sum of two singles!

Phil

Little by little, we convert them.
One day CI and IT guys will even listen to music on proper gears...

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Originally posted by Phil Harris:
If you're serious there then definitely go audition a second n-Sub ... the difference is quite incredible.

I only use the sub for movies but I was running a single n-Sub for a while and found I was - erm - occasionally running out of excursion. (I did love explaining that to the guys here - it was invariably greeted with "You obviously have your levels set up wrongly - use an SPL meter to balance them properly..." - pfft ... like I'd have not have set my levels properly! Followed moments later by "Oh my God ... just how loud are you running that!!!")

I've never liked having multiple subs and did look at building myself a custom sub using maybe one or two DBL bass drivers but just as a test tried a second n-Sub as a less insane possible solution ... never looked back!

Stuff like "Iron Man" is just taken so completely in their stride it's unreal ... was watching that recently with the AV2 up at around 68 and it definitely hits all the subliminal fear factor buttons.

The n-Sub is a really underrated bit of kit, lovely big amp married to a responsive driver in a very small sealed box but a pair of them is definitely more than just the sum of two singles!

Phil

Yes...

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Originally posted by tonym:
Yes...

/me imagines Tony doing a Meg Ryan / Sleepless In Seattle moment...

Have an excellent Monday guys - the weather is awesome and I'm burned to a crisp after too much roofless motoring yesterday!

Phil

Ah darn you Phil....!!

There was me thinking 'maybe not, I have quite a small room and two n-Subs perhaps might be a tad OTT'.....and there you are considering DBL drivers....!!

Hmmmmm....Food for thought !

So is that just daisy chained from the first n-Sub via a phono sub lead ? And do you have them placed opposite sides of the room or close proximity to each other..?

Cheers, Steve.

Definitely not OTT Steve ...

I've long since been a big fan of taking a small sub, sticking it in a tiny box and shoving loads of decent power up its jacksie - the n-Sub is a cracking unit but I really can in all honesty say that having a pair does seem to yield results that seem far in excess of what you might think possible after listening to a single.

I live very close to a railway line in a flat which is the servants quarters (roofspace) of a privately owned victorian house and I'm used to feeling trains go past - I was watching something at the weekend (what it was escapes me) but I was thinking "Bloody hell that train's taking a while to pass" and then I realised that the floor was moving because of the subs just happily thrumming away some industrial background noise on a film at a pitch almost too low to really hear.

At the moment I have them positioned about 4m apart just outside of the Allaes that I am currently using as main left and right. They're about 3 inches from a solid brick back wall and are simply daisychained mono from my AV2 ... I don't use them at all for music.

The owners of the main house below don't seem to object to my noise - in fact they claim that they rarely hear me which I find difficult to believe. However they did look a little shocked when a set of monolith-black DBLs appeared in their garage accompanied by my asking them if they'd mind if I brought them through the main house as they wouldn't fit up my spiral staircase... ;-)

Basically - see if you can audition a second one ... I'll lay money on you loving the results!

Phil

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Originally posted by tonym:
Seriously, it's a great pity Naim seem to have decided to shelve AV. I ended up with my system because I've yet to hear anything to touch a good Naim surround system built around AV2/Naim speakers/Naim amplification.

The AV2 is an incredible processor and yes I do sometimes wish that it would decode the HD audio formats that seem to be so in favour at the moment but to be frank what the AV2 does with "old" Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks is so much more involving than my friends Onkyo on HD audio I don't feel let down...

By the way - have you ever heard an Axent?

(And no - I don't mean my Yorkshire one...)

Phil

I just noticed earlier you said you were running your AV2 at 68 (!)

What amps are you got in front of it ? I'm assuming it's a 300 / 500 ? Sheesh that must be loud.

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Originally posted by Roy Donaldson:
I just noticed earlier you said you were running your AV2 at 68 (!)

What amps are you got in front of it ? I'm assuming it's a 300 / 500 ? Sheesh that must be loud.

Erm ... well *BEFORE* I started working here I had a decent deposit for a house...

...now I have a rented one bedroom flat and - erm - a deposit for a car!

At that time I was running a NAP300, a NAP 250 and a NAP145 (plus obviously the amps in the two n-Subs) with PMC OB1's, an n-Cent and Arrivas as rears. The OB1s were rather inefficient compared to the n-Cent and Arrivas and so the cent and rears were trimmed by -12(ish) on the AV2s levels so 68 wasn't as loud as it could have been but it was still pretty scary.

I'm still currently running the same amps but the PMC's - erm - didn't survive the caning very well and used to slam the cones into the baskets with rather a "pop" so I have a set of Allaes at the moment. The amps do vary depending on what speakers I'm using at the time and I have additional amps that I'm not using at the moment but will bring out again when I get my NBLs over here.

I've also found a secondhand (and slightly damaged) Axent for sale that I'm hoping to get at a decent price too.

"Hi - my name is Phil and I'm an addict..."

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Originally posted by Roy Donaldson:
I just noticed earlier you said you were running your AV2 at 68 (!)

I'm also running an AV2 but then I've only just turned 60.

I also run my volume at round about 50-70 depending on source. SkyHD's about 50, certain BluRays on multichannel analogue inputs get up to 75 or so. It's loud all right...