My new 250 just went KABOOM!

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So, why was the original ending of "Got It?" deleted. Let me guess: not an example of good British manners? (And then you deleted the whole post, huh?)

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You're learning. I decided that I was reducing myself to your level by being rude.

Then I decided that Mr Richard Dane had made the point very well himself; which is why I deleted my post.

You've just shown once again what an arrogant boor you are.

Keep it up. It's getting quite entertaining.

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Originally posted by J.N.
You've just shown once again what an arrogant boor you are.

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Very good.


"The universe is change, life is opinion." Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

Thanks Todd.

In fairness to you; Slim's initial comment was unnecessarily rude, and clearly got you fired up.

I hope you get the 250 'sorted' and have a good Christmas.

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You sound like a spoiled and selfish american

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Face it, Erik, we're all spoiled and selfish here. There is no altruism involved in buying a top-end Hi-Fi.

Paul Rowlands

My 250 gave 12 years of service with no problemsat all. Last year the left channel became noisy, it was fixed by my dealer for very small money. Also a loan amplifier was delivered and installed while the 250 was away.
My dealer also collected and delivered the 250 all without extra charge.

I am and remain more than satisfied with Naim!!

Regards Robert

Todd,

Im sure you already got a lot of "good advice", but remember this:

All stuff, expensive or not can break. Everything from the most expensive Mercedes to a Rolex or something like that. The real proof is how the company handle the service. That, and nothing else, is where you judge the quality of the company.

Have an excellent X-mas and buy some new records to your self, I think we all earn that.

Jonas

My goodness such a fuss over a component failure. I once had an amp that also went KABOOM and in the process sent large quantities of DC to both of my Tannoy dual-concentrics. To have both of the Tannoy's reconed was over $900. It took the manufacturer 6 months to reply to my notes about the failing amp, after sending it in for service. The manugfacturer finally sent me some money for the failed amp.

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Originally posted by Erik:
You sound like a spoiled and selfish american, mr Arola. Cool down.

/Erik

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***This posting was edited because of my oversight the Erik was not from the U.K.**

Wow...Erik, please share with us how Sweden has managed to eliminate any "spoiled and selfish" people from within its borders. Your statement ignorantly and offensively implies that being spoiled and selfish is an American trait.

Your statement could have easily been stated without any nationality stated and we would have all understood it.

[This message was edited by Taylormade on TUESDAY 23 December 2003 at 19:56.]

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Originally posted by Tom Alves:
As I'm a pedant I'll point out that Erik comes from Sweden which isn't an island and contains very few Brits

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Thanks for pointing that out Tom.

I started at the end of the tread and worked more or less backward to see what all the fuss was about.

I did not find Todd's comments obnoxious as much.

I do find particularly obnoxious and far worse anto-American statements.

I have also found anti-gay comments on this forus to be particularly distressing. Maybe I am sensitive as a gay male, but was how shockingly easily the comments were accepted and even rationalized when I pointed them out.

Those were not on this thread, but they have appeared. I am shocked that the moderators remain silent or relatively silent during episodes of stereotyping behavior. Shame. shame.

Comments about Todd banging his head against the wall in relation to his problem with his neck, did nothing to further the discussion.

Before we demean the behavior of others, lets stop for 5 minutes and take an inventory of our own actions. Maybe this period of reflection might help to calm us down.

And moderator's---be more active in admonishing folks whose posts attempt to personally demean others.

People who live in glass houses need not throw stones.


Jay

Jaybar - you are a sensitive flower <g>

The useage of the English language is very different in the US and the UK, word structure that may be somewhat harsh to you is of little significance to the UK. Similarly some of the word constructs used in the US are offensive to us in the UK, however we understand that the languages have evolved at different rates over the last 400 years and so listen with amazement/amusement/horror

It is a case of two nations divided by a common language.

A literal "blue on blue"

The term "Happy Holidays" issued in the US from the middle of October to the middle of January sound to some English people as very glib and insincere.

However so as to not offend you I will wish you

" Happy Holidays"

Derek

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OK

Sorry for the nationality!

I still think that You have to take things like this neat and try to work the problem out together with the company instead of yelling about never buying naim again an and sue someone if possible. Nobody gains anything from complaining only.

Happy x-mas from a vart cold and snowy Sweden.

/Erik

I'm with you on that Jay. There was a lot of sexism in here but I don't see so much of that. Don't take any notice of knuckleheads who tell you you have no sense of humour - that's the last excuse of the biggot.

Todd. I'm glad you are getting your situation sorted. I can understand why you got het up, and although you insulted me (cos I'm english) I didn't take it personally!

Cheers

Harry

Derek-

Interesting argument about language differences. However, having lived and worked (some time ago) in the UK for three years, I am somewhat familiare with the differences. Whatever, those differences might be and they are many and varied they are really no justification for demeaning comments directed at one group of individuals--whatever that group might be.

My point is much more directed at the moderators that at any individual who might post innapropriate comments here.

There is much that the administrators can and maybe should do to maintain a climate that does not demean any one group of individuals.

The administrators as well as those individuals making demeaning statements might learn from how "The Bored" administers audioasylum.com.


Jay

Jay

The mods are English and so am I (for my sins) and I do not see the same offense in the words that you do. On a previous thread your were most upset about an adjective used to describe a demonstrator at a show - I did not see it as offensive or demeaning - just describing an attribute of the person (it has equal value as tall, big, neat, untidy, bald, black, asian etc it just describes how the person appears - how one would remember them)

So the mods would not see it as a slur or critical comment -

I have worked with people in the US for decades and I know that I have to change my language for them (some would say simplify it) as well as change the emphasis on phrases in the words to ensure comprehension.

Also in the US I have come across incredibly reactionary comments against situations that do not confirm to the speakers expected norm

It is two great nations divided etc

Derek

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Can't we all just get along?

Derek-

I don't agree with you. I don't think referring to someone who is demonstrating equipment as efeminate, is the same as commenting they are tall. I think that there is a definate negative sense there.

Jay

Jay

We will have to agree to disagree

Derek

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My point is much more directed at the moderators that at any individual who might post innapropriate comments here.

There is much that the administrators can and maybe should do to maintain a climate that does not demean any one group of individuals.

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Jaybar,

What difference does it make? Even if mods take those slurring posts, you can't erase prejudice out of people's mind.

Even at the AA, I've seen some offending ( to me, at least, but, apparently moderators thought it was ok ) threads untouched.

How do you really draw lines?

You are right in that it would be nice if everyone treats people with a respect and all.. but, that just is not going to happen from reenforcing sensering from an audio bulltain board.
Reenforcing bad behaviors? Maybe. To me, what's NOT said is even more insidious than what's said.

Todd's original sarcastic remarks at british folks were unfortunate. But, I sort of understand given the fact that his amp just blew up.

Peace on this flat Earth and have a Merry Xmas.

[This message was edited by kuma on WEDNESDAY 24 December 2003 at 17:32.]

[This message was edited by kuma on WEDNESDAY 24 December 2003 at 17:39.]

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
The mods are English and so am I (for my sins) and I do not see the same offense in the words that you do. On a previous thread your were most upset about an adjective used to describe a demonstrator at a show - I did not see it as offensive or demeaning - just describing an attribute of the person (it has equal value as tall, big, neat, untidy, bald, black, asian etc it just describes how the person appears - how one would remember them)

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time to put on Randy Newmans' 'Short People'....

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I don't agree with you. I don't think referring to someone who is demonstrating equipment as efeminate, is the same as commenting they are tall. I think that there is a definate negative sense there.

Jay

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Hi Jay - Can't agree with you there, why are you perceiving 'effeminate' in a negative way?

It's a descriptive adjective, such as the demonstrator was 'surly' or 'rude' - now they are negative attributes.

There's nothing negative about 'effeminate' as long as the person concerned is pleasant and helpful.

Have a good Christmas.

Cambridge Dictionary 2003
Definition
effeminate [Show phonetics]
adjective DISAPPROVING
describes a man who behaves or looks similar to a woman:

Looks like an insulting observation with overtones of homophobia.

But I guess you had to be there.

Cheers

Harry

Too much Political Correctness and this forum would be very boring.

A glimpse into Naim Forum PC 2004...
"Hello, I like music and stereo equipment (kit, gear or whatever makes you comfortable)."
"I do too and I hope that my enjoyment of music doesn't upset anyone."
"Same here."

However, no need for personal insults.

It would be pleasing if you would enjoy your holiday celebrations if you choose to observe them.

How's that for PC?

David

I suspect that 'effeminate' has strong negative connotations in virtually all social contexts.

And I suspect the gender of a presenter at a hifi demonstration has absolutely no meaningful bearing on the dem.

I further suspect that the presenter's bearing was mentioned because the writer felt somewhat uncomfortable about his/her response to the presenter's bearing. But that's the writer's problem.

Don't get me wrong - I, too, might have been uncomfortable at the presentation; I just wouldn't have mentioned it in a write-up, unless the discomfort kept me from understanding the dem. Of course if I didn't understand a dem, I probably wouldn't write.

Gays in the US are under severe attack from religious fundamentalists who apparently find homosexuality so attractive that they want to drive it back underground.

We're talking about hifi here - gender, bearing, and sexual orientation are pretty much irrelevant and not worth mentioning.

Regards.

Phil Barry

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Originally posted by Phil Barry:
We're talking about hifi here - gender, bearing, and sexual orientation are pretty much irrelevant and not worth mentioning.

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Agreed.
Altho, it started with a nationalism slant ( or culture crash ), somehow it derailed further into something even more irrelevant...