Three Ride into Battle – The Slaying of a NAP250

Posted by: David Hobbs-Mallyon on 25 November 2002

Last Friday, Nick Lees, Tom Alves and myself travelled down to 1066 country to hear Dave J’s sistem. Dave had been brave enough to volunteer to follow the imposing Sheridan/Gizmogirl NAP500/DBL evening, so he was under pressure to impress. To this aim, the evening had been substantially postponed, as it appears the whole house had been redecorated with all the downstairs floors being replaced with sturdier materials to withstand sonic battering from his Linn Isobariks. Very much appreciated, but perhaps a little extreme.

The rest of Dave’s sistem consists of LP12/Lingo2/Ekos/Arkiv and a modified Linn Ikemi CD Player (Dave – what has been modified?) at the front end, with 82/HiCap/NAPSC/NAP250 powering. Dave also had two new additions to the sistem, the old NAPSC had been replaced by a new style one – as reported in another thread. Also Dave had recently taken advantage of current low interest rates to apply for a second mortgage to fund putting all the equipment on Naim Fraim – a purchase he is clearly very happy with.

I was quite surprised to find that the Isobariks were sitting in a room with dimensions, probably of about 12x11ft, also with a relatively low ceiling. Could such a large speaker work in this environment? I had never heard the Isobariks, and I had been warned I would have to adjust my ears to the sound. Personally I didn’t find this a huge problem – after hearing Nick’s Obelisks, almost any speaker sounds normal. Fortunately, I arrived early which meant that I could get a good listen to some jazz before Nick arrived and started heckling. On this occasion, I had also brought a few more classical pieces with me, as I wanted to hear how the Briks managed a few larger scale pieces.

When Nick and Tom arrived we spent the next 4-5 hours playing the usual broad range of music – is it my imagination, or is it getting broader each visit? Anyway, playlist to follow from the sober Mr Lees. Following the previous occasion, where Tom had a few too many, and hogged the playlist for the latter part of the evening, a 7-10pm curfew was applied to give the rest of us a chance to catch up.

About half way through the evening it was time to get serious and apply our ‘audiophile reference’ track, Herzelied by Rammstein. With four such distinguished and experienced listeners in the room, we were bound to highlight any deficiencies in the sistem. Fortunately, Tom ‘Golden Ears’ Alves was on hand to spot that one of the channels on the 250 had actually cut out during the performance. The rest of us were somewhat ignorantly in pseudo-mono bliss – back to listening school for the three of us. There followed a slightly nervous half hour as we waited for the other channel to cut back in. Perhaps the excuse Dave had been looking for to upgrade to 135s or a 300.

So to the sistem – regarding the amplification, I’ve made some disparaging remarks in the past about 82/hicap sistems based on previous experience when I owned that combination. No such reservation here, and I’m sure the Fraim is playing some part in this. I didn’t detect any of the recessed or disjointed sound that I have since associated with the 82. Of all the evenings we’ve had so far, this one had the greatest disparity between vinyl and CD. Vinyl sounded thoroughly engaging all evening. Most of this is down to the relative investment Dave has made in the front ends. CDs were slightly more of a hit and miss affair – the Ikemi sounds more laid back than the similarly priced CDX – personally I would want a sound that probably comes somewhere between the two. On to the speakers, and my surprise was how much under control the Briks were in such a small room. I’m sure a large contributor to this is the Fraim – yes it is expensive, but it was certainly delivering in this sistem. To my ears, the Briks were great on pop, rock and smaller jazz – Dave is right they have real grunt. I would love to hear what they would sound like powered by some more powerful amps (HX1.2 evening Dave?). The larger orchestral pieces didn’t work for me – I would have liked more space and more refinement. Whether you get this in a bigger room, I’m not sure. As the room was relatively recently decorated, the room is still slightly bare and ‘live’. Personally, I would recommend that Dave hire an acoustic damping technician such as Gizmogirl to apply some cuddly lamb room tunes. Dave is however planning to get some Mana underneath the speakers. Complete personality change and lifetime Lithium prescription is expected in the near future….

So, many thanks to Dave J and family (for putting up with us) for the food, hospitality and subsequent hangover. I’ll write some more on the music when Nick provides the track listing.

David

[This message was edited by David Hobbs-Mallyon on MONDAY 25 November 2002 at 11:38.]
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Dave J
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is it my imagination, or is it getting broader each visit?


Not only is the music selection getting broader (I'd perhaps call it more "challenging"), but the volume control is getting some real exercise, too. I NEVER listen at that level and was relieved that it was just the thermal cut-out on the poor 250. As you say, maybe I should consider 135's or a 300, but not before at least Supercapping the 82 and not for a little while yet when funds permit.

The following morning I played a few things at normal levels and was relieved to hear that all was back to normal.

As far as the Isobarik's are concerned and given the limitations of the room, I'm quite happy with what they're doing. They continue to benefit from improvements elsewhere in the system and for the time being I'll concentrate budget elsewhere, although, as you say, I'm considering putting them on Mana stands in the none too distant future.

quote:
I would love to hear what they would sound like powered by some more powerful amps (HX1.2 evening Dave?)


Yeah, I'll pop 'em in the back of the car!

Thanks for coming, guys.

Dave
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Dave J said - "As far as the Isobarik's are concerned and given the limitations of the room, I'm quite happy with what they're doing. "

I'm not surprised - it's quite scary when I read posts about SBLs providing too much bass in a rooms twice the size.....what were the Briks like pre Fraim?

JPO said
quote:
It gives us all an idea what a system can do, instead of, lets say, more aggressive posts, about which preamp who is best, 72 or 102.
I'd agree - I'm coming to the conslusion that room and set-up can be at least as important as what equipment you have.

David
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Paul said:
quote:
the hairy chested Isobarik systems and much scaffolding have all told me that they ran out of power with a 250


Conditions of use were hardly normal. It was fun giving the 250 a real work-out - Dave stayed remarkably relaxed, although I bet the 20-30 minutes probably felt a lot longer.

David
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Dave J
Less expressive, less controled, a bit bloated in the upper bass and missing some of the grunt I used to get in what was a much bigger room. They are particularly enjoying vinyl again and, as you noticed, are revealing the limitations of the Ikemi in comparison to the LP12. The mods on the Ikemi, by the way, were the addition of an earth lead to the preamp and the ubiquitous 10amp Bussman.

The room issue is an interesting one as, I think, it has forced a maximum volume level beyond which things become strained and the "sistem" starts to shout. I don't think this is (just) down to any limitations with the 250 although it's a good excuse to upgrade. It would certainly be interesting to hear a more powerful amp driving them to see if this is true. The only problem would be if this revealed a need to upgrade the amp when I really want to plan improvements elsewhere.

Dave
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Highlights for me:

Beck - gorgeous - really wasn't expecting this - a must buy.

Lyle Lovett - sounded more big band than country - not what I expected at all. Sistem showed great dynamics on this.

Earthworks - at one listen, difficult to judge, but definitely interesting, and worth further investigation.

Amon Düül 2 - this sounded incredibly intense, god knows what it would sound like under more 'chemical' conditions. All too innocent for that though.

Bat Chain Puller sounded completely different on the Briks - very very intense and quite sinister.

Soundgarden was a surprise from Tom. Thunder was truly awful.

David
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by herm
quote:
Originally posted by David Hobbs-Mallyon:
Sistem showed great dynamics on this.


See, it's that easy.

Please take this as the correct spelling henceforth. We don't want any confusion.

Herman
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Be warned Herman - there was talk of a need for an overseas trip.

Is your sistem up to it?

David
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
I hope the dogs have recovered - like Mr Lees, they seemed to prefer Rammstein over Wynton Marsalis.

David
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
I'm slightly worried about the lack of readership of this thread, specially compared to the fuses thread.

Do you think I could enhance readership with a rivetting title such as "Old NAPSC vs New NAPSC - The Great Debate".

Wouldn't work would it.....
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Dave J
quote:
"Old NAPSC vs New NAPSC - The Great Debate"


Now your talking.
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Dave J
quote:
I hope the dogs have recovered - like Mr Lees, they seemed to prefer Rammstein over Wynton Marsalis.



Rufus has a bit of dachshund in him so its quite understandable.
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Roy T
I hope this will not turn into another massed 102 V's 72 debate. roll eyes

[This message was edited by Roy T on MONDAY 25 November 2002 at 15:49.]
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Edo Engel
quote:
Be warned Herman - there was talk of a need for an overseas trip.
Hey, we could do a Continental Naim Barbie then...

Cheers,

Edo
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by herm
quote:
Originally posted by David Hobbs-Mallyon:
I'm slightly worried about the lack of readership of this thread, specially compared to the fuses thread.

Do you think I could enhance readership with a riveting title such as "Old NAPSC vs New NAPSC - The Great Debate".


Well, someone (assuming it's not your good self) awarded this thread five whoppin' stars - it's up for an Oscar, or what are they called here?

Herman
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Herman,

No I didn't five star rate the thread.

Anyone think the old NAPSC sounds more analogue, less hifi? There's bound to be someone out there that thinks the New NAPSC sounds better with 82/hi, but worse with 82/sc.

The new one is certainly bigger.

David
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by Alex S.
Thanks TW Riders for excellent stuff as always.

Are you men enough for the Cadbury's Smash Pods?

Alex
Posted on: 25 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Alex,

Of course we'd be delighted. Any chance you could get a loan of either a 552 or an L300 for the event?

David
Posted on: 26 November 2002 by Alex S.
Sorry, I'll provide my new 300A fuses instead. Hopefully the sprinkler sistem will be up and running by then.

Alex
Posted on: 26 November 2002 by Dave J
quote:
Hopefully the sprinkler sistem will be up and running by then.



That's OK Alex, we don't sweat much.
Posted on: 26 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
quote:
I'll provide my new 300A fuses instead

Alex,

300A fuses are good. Have you installed your own generator yet?

David
Posted on: 26 November 2002 by David Hobbs-Mallyon
Edo said
quote:
Hey, we could do a Continental Naim Barbie

..is that legal?
Posted on: 26 November 2002 by Edo Engel
quote:
..is that legal?
Now that you mention it, it doesn't exactly sound legal...

But anyway, Holland would be a great location for such an event, seeing that it's a far flatter place than England...

Cheers,

Edo
Posted on: 26 November 2002 by herm
on the continent anything's legal, didn't you know?